Scurry

[Guznuk]

What's your guilds status with KOS'ing other PK's and/or PK guilds?

[Nexex]

kill all members other than them kind of guild.

[Scurry]

Our guild status? Who knows? We don't really worry too much about that. Our intent is just to enjoy the game and enjoy attacking people in range, not to play some political game. If I had to guess, I would wager that pretty much all, if not all of the folks from Darkenbane, Lucid Vision and Artful Death would all attack any of us on sight.

We fought with LV and AD in Cobalt Scar two nights ago and DB in Everfrost last night, so I think that's a pretty safe wager.

Why do you ask?

[AD Nnuk]

I cannot speak for either LV or DB but, if you give it a moment's thought, you might come to the realization that Artful Death's policy of professional courtesy towards "PK guilds" would have shielded your members from being sketched.

Naturally this courtesy evaporated the moment your band of merry morons ganked, corpse camped and/or bind camped my fellow artists -- I'd wager that DB and LV didn't really appreciate having the new kids on the block do the same to their members as well.

Best of luck to you and yours... I suspect you're gonna be needing it.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[DArkfrost187]

5 only level 50s walking around norrath pissing all the elite in numbers pk guilds off,and later being hunted down resulting in the 5 members taking the biggest dirtnaps in the history of RZ. While their level 20s to 30s lowbies wonder what happened to their high council when their sketched by Artful Death,their houses are blown down my LV,and their laying all bloody at DBs feet while we dance around their corpses all drunk,and holding theirs heads in our hands chanting some demented Satanic chants.
Scurry dont dig that hole anymore than its dug. Pretty soon that hole going to be big enuff to bury your bodies in it.

[Guznuk]

So I know whether or not to kill you ;)

[AD Nnuk]

"While their level 20s to 30s lowbies wonder what happened to their high council"

They won't wonder...

http://www.artfuldeath.com/galleries_current/nnuk/misc/posts/pics/lex.jpg

... They'll have a crystal clear understanding of what has transpired.

Incidentally, Tare... This is the main reason why I see a need for a wider range of members than just 50+. ;-)

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

ps If I may offer a piece of advice, Scurry... Get that lad a Guardian Robe. I realize he's not a druid but he still might find it useful.

[Scurry]

"A good leader needs to choose his enemies carefully, Scurry."

I never claimed to be a good leader, Nnuk.

"...when their sketched by Artful Death,their houses are blown down my LV,and their laying all bloody at DBs feet while we dance around their corpses all drunk,and holding theirs heads in our hands chanting some demented Satanic chants..."

"They won't wonder... "

Notice, we haven't come here and posted the killshots of Cougr, Tareslaeyn, Bradic, Tannerac, Nenlain etc., have we? No one flaunted about how Sid was abused in Everfrost the other night, did they? We play this game for fun, not for fun cheesy ass reputation or to speak a whole lot of mumbo jumbo about what will befall John Doe, Bob Smith and Mary Sue.

Your best response to the above is a killshot of a lower level wiz I haven't seen in the game in 3 weeks. Nice. You want to play tough guys and threaten us, feel free. I would wager that not a single one of us cares. We die, we die. We'll deal with it, not cry like a schoolgirl like Sid. We've all had some of the most fun in EQ any of us has ever had. That's the bottom line.

This guild, and its members, has been been disrespected by the other PK guilds on RZ time and again since well before the first time we cast a spell on any LV, DB or AD. There's a whole section of quotes on our webpage to this end. We have no desire to bend over, while being disrespected, for the sole purpose of being "friends".

Guz, you wanna kill me over politics? Bring it.

[Guznuk]

Well if you're walking around attacking my guildmates what other choice do I have? :-p

[Guznuk]

Whats the URL to your site?

[Scurry]

It's in the thread titled "Primal Instinct - Looking for PKs".

[AD Nnuk]

"I never claimed to be a good leader, Nnuk."

I never claimed you did, Scurry.


'Notice, we haven't come here and posted the killshots of Cougr"

And who could blame you?

4 peeps -- 2 druids, a wizard and... What was the 4th? Shaman? -- bind camping a wizzie who'd just croaked to a bug isn't something I'd be posting either.

As for the others.. I'm not aware of the details surrounding those events so commenting is out of the question.


"No one flaunted about how Sid was abused in Everfrost the other night, did they?"

That's a DB issue but... One could argue that this (http://www.geocities.com/scurryrz/sinestro.html) qualifies as "flaunting".

Not that there's anything wrong with that -- Would be a bit hypocritical for me to sit here and tell you that screenshots of corpses is a bad thing to do. ;-)


"Your best response to the above is a killshot of a lower level wiz I haven't seen in the game in 3 weeks."

You haven't had the guild for 3 weeks, have you?

But, that aside, the screenie was a response to Tare -- Not to anything you've said/done.


"You want to play tough guys and threaten us, feel free."

I do not "threaten", silly.

I merely informed you that there's a good chance folks won't take kindly to recent events and you're not dealing with the Shadow Gypsies, Elven Crusaders and/or Hammer of Brell this time.


"We've all had some of the most fun in EQ any of us has ever had. That's the bottom line."

Glad to hear it!

But, with a little bit of foresight, your "fun" might have lasted a wee bit longer than I suspect it will. :-(


"Guz, you wanna kill me over politics? Bring it."

Don't ya get it, man?

It doesn't matter if he "wants" to kill you or not -- Your actions have placed him in a position where he has little choice in the matter.

An unfortunate turn of events... Most unfortunate indeed.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

ps Kheldor wouldn't happen to have any relation to Khelmor, would he? That would be most disappointing.

[AD Nnuk]

"This guild, and its members, has been been disrespected by the other PK guilds on RZ time and again since well before the first time we cast a spell on any LV, DB or AD. There's a whole section of quotes on our webpage to this end."

Odd.. I don't see any quotes there from me.

Not that this proves anything. After all.. I'm fairly well known for keeping my opinions to myself. ;-)

I do not like you, Scurry, and the reason for that is simply because (for some inexplicable reason) you've gone out of your way to piss me off time and time again.

But there's no love loss between Tare and myself either, ya know -- And I wouldn't lay a finger on him so long as he's wearing the DB tag... The same would have applied to you.

However it seems that you have chosen to follow in Pica/Tallon's treacherous footsteps and, as I have said, that is most unfortunate.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Ghecko]

Heya Scurry / Primal Instinct

All I can say is AY / LV / DB / AD have been doing things together lately. Nothing formal mind you, but more and more frequently.

(When you see 30+ pk's in a zone most lvl 55-59 doing a mob, or just ganking people ... it is one of the most beautiful and scary things you can witness on RZ.)

Primal Instinct was being extended a rare proffessional courtesy by many of these guilds (weather you were aware of it or not). By your actions you have rebuked that courtesy.

I think thats what Nnuk was getting at.

As far as my opinion goes - It's your 12 bucks a month. As long as you're having a good time, I wouldn't give a crap what anyone thinks of you.

As a friend, I'll just advise you watch yer backs a little closer from now on.

[Mortaneous]

Hmmm I don't seem remember any courtesy being extended by AD or LV when I was Flowers or Primal. I've been attacked by both on sight, with no discussion.

What would you assume?

[Scurry]

"4 peeps -- 2 druids, a wizard and... What was the 4th? Shaman? -- bind camping a wizzie who'd just croaked to a bug isn't something I'd be posting either."

Nnuk, firstly, are you discounting group ganks as invalid kills? Secondly, how did Sid end up at his bind spot? It certainly wasn't from an Ice Giant.

"One could argue that this qualifies as "flaunting". "

We will post as much as we like on our own board, Nnuk, as it is intended for our guild to view as the primary audience. The point being made was that no one has transferred any of these comments or pictures to ANY other site, including this one, rz.net or lucid-vision.org. It's also the reason that I didn't respond to Guz's request for our URL with a direct link, thus making it just a wee bit more difficult for someone to get to those pictures.

"You haven't had the guild for 3 weeks, have you?"

Yes, we have had the guild for well over a month, now.

"I do not "threaten", silly."

"Threaten" being a relative term, I believe you did.

"But, with a little bit of foresight, your "fun" might have lasted a wee bit longer than I suspect it will."

Is that a threat as well, Nnuk?

"Your actions have placed him in a position where he has little choice in the matter."

In general, no one HAS to do anything, Nnuk. I'm sure you will agree with that. People do as they choose to do. If you feel you HAVE to do something, I would suggest taking some time to experiment with independent thinking.

"Odd.. I don't see any quotes there from me."

Sorry, I missed where I said there were quotes from you. Please direct my attention to that comment.

"I do not like you, Scurry, and the reason for that is simply because (for some inexplicable reason) you've gone out of your way to piss me off time and time again."

Don't worry, Nnuk. The feeling is very mutual. And is it really inexplicable? Or have you just not thought much on it?

"However it seems that you have chosen to follow in Pica/Tallon's treacherous footsteps..."

I cringe to be included in the same sentence as this guy, but say what you will.

"Kheldor wouldn't happen to have any relation to Khelmor, would he? That would be most disappointing"

No, Kheldor is a real life friend. I have no idea who Khelmor is.

There I think that answers all of your questions. Enjoy being a drone, Nnuk.

[Scurry]

Ghecko, firstly, I like you a great deal as a person and appreciate your comments.

But to respond, NO ONE from any of those guilds (aside from you) expressed any courtesy to Primal Instinct. What was expressed have been insults and condemnation.

Despite being a PK for 54 levels, I have been consistently attacked by other PKs my whole time in this game, as have many of the others in our guild. Because we now have a guildtag over our names makes us different now? No, it doesn't. This is what we call "politics". We were PKs then and you attacked. We are PKs now, you will attack. This is what we expect.

So sorry we haven't bent over as they would have liked

[DArkfrost187]

Your guild is not in our click atm,so you better pay respect or die. You fuck with AD,LV,DB etc etc whoever is friends with us. You fuck with the whole reich. You pushed it a little too far acting like a bunch of juveniles from a Dead End Kids flick. I guess I can call you Satch. You all act with no class,no skills,and a bunch of punks that get a hard on killing people at mucktail gnolls in hph. Lextrodite is a classic lol Hes a friend with a GM ? lol OMG I also wasnt whining that night fool. Bind camping someone is pretty much illegal,and out of line. You illegally found my secret bind spot. You should leave me be there bud. Corpse camping is legal but bind is not. Hey I served 7 to 10 days in the can for something I did illegal,but did we get away with it ? No we absolutely did not. So whats makes you so special ? I expected a little more out of you,Mort,and Genrah being 30 year olds in RL. Maybe someone like Darkenevil {thats one immature wannabee lol} would stoop to acting that unprofessional,and low. Yes I am threatening you :P You come around us and look for trouble kido. Your going to find it. Capisce ??? Your small potatoes buddy compare to what dominates pvp.

[Scurry]

Thanks for making my point, Pacino.

And you don't remember if it was 7 or 10 days "in the can"?

Pipe down, Stupid.

[DArkfrost187]

Our sentences were 7 to 10 days. We were released the 8th day. Also you guys didnt abuse me in EF. That was cake compare to what you punks are going to recieve. I promise that. Reason why you or your guild didnt get respect at first. Because you made sure you guys were the outkasts to the pvp community. But being small potatoes isnt going to get you anywhere but death. Look at what happened to Poland to the Germans. Look what happened to any small group walking around thinking they own,and showing disrespect to the dominate forces. Being rebels doesnt lead to success. You either conform or die. You wont beat us,so you might as well join us.

[Scurry]

"Because you made sure you guys were the outkasts to the pvp community"

How so?

"Look what happened to any small group walking around thinking they own..."

None of us have ever said that we "own". In fact, I have gone out of the way to avoid any inference of such a connotation.

"You either conform or die."

And you wonder why we attacked you.

[Mangar]

Id be lying if i said i cared either way. Its not as if Primal Instinct is a factor PvP-Wise against LV. Your generally dealing with easy kills like this one.

http://www.lucid-vision.org/kills/Nedrian/Falchion.jpg

Kind of represents every negative PK stereotype in regards to "No-Drop/Bagged Whores". Oh well, more victims added to the list.

And just to clarify our "Official" stance towards other Independant PK's and guilds. Its like Ghecko and Nnuk said. We "Generally" spare all of them as a form of professional courtesy, unless we have a *GOOD* reason not to. I dont believe in sparing a dick just because that dick happens to be a PK, nor will i allow morons to hide behind a guildtag. With that said, we did extend that courtesy to Primal Instinct(and i dont recall LV ever attacking you Mortaneous?) and it was rebuked. I personally dont mind, but dont claim we are killing you over "Politics". We are killing you because you asked for it :)

Mangar
Guildmaster - Lucid Vision

[Scurry]

Edit: Removing last post. No point continuing this discussion as we are obviously on very different sides of the fence. What will be will be.

[AD Nnuk]

"Hmmm I don't seem remember any courtesy being extended by AD or LV when I was Flowers or Primal."

Um.. Mort.. What the sam hill are you talking about?

Flowers was an ally of ours and, even before then, we had never sketched one unless in self-defense. Ever.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Nexex]

"We never sketched one." sup fag

[Mangar]

heh, your mistake Scurry is assuming myself or anyone in Lucid Vision even knew who you were prior to you trolling around the LV public board. I myself only recently became aware of your existance, much less know you were a PK. You Messageboard Commando's need to understand that not everyone pays attention to your out of game jibberish. Hell, ive only seen you in-game like 3 times myself. If you were killed by Timon and company, then its your job to identify yourself. He dont read or pay attention to the boards.

I powerlevel people from the time to time, using either Mangar or a Druid. *NEVER* have i gone nude or to No-Drop to do so. I mean, its a good excuse to use for being caught naked, but i just tend to not believe it from a Druid running around in a Guardian robe. Bottom line - Your boy wasnt a "Typical No-Drop Gimp". He was a "Completely Naked Gimp". Not like any form of gear or equipment would have saved him from Nedrian anyway... (shrug)

Again - The mistake in your argument is that you assume that you know our policy in regards to other PK's and PK guilds better then i do. Like i explained, i personally couldent care that you attacked LV. You guys are simply a non-factor to us in any way, shape, or form. But we did give you the benefit of professional courtesy, despite that fact.

As for Cobolt Scar, unless someone logged on Mangar briefly to rezz someone, it wasnt me. You couldent kill me on Mangar even if you had your entire guild with you and your life depended on it. Much less corpse camp him or any member of Lucid Vision. The 5 naked casters in your guild simply dont induce much fear into me..... Or anyone else :)

Mangar
Guildmaster - Lucid Vision

[AD Nnuk]

... Where the Hell did you pick up that annoying habit of quoting bits and pieces of posts like that? Sheesh!

Effective though... I'll have to try it sometime. ;-)

Ghecko and Mangar (and Tare to a certain extent) pretty much stated what I wanted to say so I'll leave it at that.

Except for this...

Guilded or not -- AD's policy on professional courtesy stands.

You were not guilded when I ran into you on Halloween... And you walked out of EF without a scratch -- Something which most in range peeps could not say at the time.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

ps Get off my dick, will ya Nex? Or at least come up with something close to entertaining.

[Scurry]

Mangar, in your last two attempts to look like a video game badass and tough guy head honcho, you have made more ignorant comments that I could possibly begin to comment on.

[Lilsub]

Originally posted by Scurry
Mangar, in your last two attempts to look like a video game badass and tough guy head honcho, you have made more ignorant comments that I could possibly begin to comment on.

I've met and talked with Mangar a few times in game, he doesn't try to be a badass, he just say things like they are.

Scurry who are you fooling, if someone makes a comment you really think is ignorant, you post huge replies every time, it's what you do.

Oh and Nexex, all your supacool music is done by artists. You listen to it, you look at the art. Shall I start saying, "sup fag" every time I see you posting? :p

[Nexex]

No its just annoying when he says sketching..it reminds me of some guy thinkin hes a bad ass because he plays eq ~ lilsub..who are u again?.

[Scurry]

Oh, ok. Only since you asked.

"heh, your mistake Scurry is assuming myself or anyone in Lucid Vision even knew who you were prior to you trolling around the LV public board"

I've posted probably 5 messages on that board

"If you were killed by Timon and company, then its your job to identify yourself. He dont read or pay attention to the boards."

Firstly, it wasn't just Timon. It was Spiritraven, Valkar, Eltab, Timon and Vasten. Secondly, am I understanding this to say that anytime someone is being chased they can simplay OOC "I am a PK, leave me alone" and the hordes will disperse? Wow! You learn something new every day. This is a great trick for the anti's to use. Thanks for the clarification.

I am pretty confident that at least Valkar and probably Vasten, knew I was a PK. And just to clarify, I could care less that I died, that's not the issue, whatsoever. The issue is LV saying they have some "courtesy" to non-guilded PKs when that's obviously not true.

"I powerlevel people from the time to time, using either Mangar or a Druid. *NEVER* have i gone nude or to No-Drop to do so. I mean, its a good excuse to use for being caught naked..."

You seemed to have missed the point that Falchion was powerleveling one of his own characters, using two PCs. What would the point be in wearing gear considering that would leave him responsible for protecting the gear of two characters on two PCs with two hands should they come under attack? And for you AND Nedrian to both post the same killshot of someone being killed while playing 2 PCs and point to that as evidence of your glorious ways is a mockery to your guild and your members that actually do have something to brag about. It's a shame you can't see that.

".....i just tend to not believe it from a Druid running around in a Guardian robe"

If I had a dime for every time I heard this......I have yet to get a good explanation as to why a Guardian Robe is inappropriate for a druid, especially a human one on which it actually shows up. For one, I doubt you would argue that 8 Fire and 8 Magic Resists and 45 Mana are bad stats for any class that can cast spells. For two, if I wanted to look like every other Tom, Dick and Harry druid around I probably would have picked a halfling or a wood elf and geared up in some leather looking gear. That would be sweet. Ummmm, no. I would rather not look like half the server. Thanks for your two cents, although it seemed more like one.

"The mistake in your argument is that you assume that you know our policy in regards to other PK's and PK guilds better then i do"

Well, it's apparent that you either (1) Don't know your own policy or (2) Know it, but choose to lie so you can come off not looking like what one might refer to a donkey as.

"But we did give you the benefit of professional courtesy, despite that fact."

You have given us ZERO "professional courtesy". (Remember, this is a video game, if you think you are anything "professional" in this game, you may want to consider stepping away from the keyboard and getting some fresh air) You have failed to demonstrate where LV gave us ANY degree of professional courtesy. I just explained to you how I was attacked, I have directed you to quotes from your guildmates. You have provided no evidence whatsoever.

No one from Primal Instinct said a word about LV, DB or AD when this guild formed or until now. To be honest, I don't think anyone gave them or anything other than having fun in the game an inkling of thought. Out of the blue, come the slanders, the disrespect, the ignorance. That's a mighty strange definition of "professional courtesy". I wonder, when DB reformed, did such commentary exist? Somehow, I doubt it.

"As for Cobolt Scar, unless someone logged on Mangar briefly to rezz someone, it wasnt me."

Apparently he either had just died or went naked to rez someone because he didn't have a lick of gear on. Oh, wait, you never run around naked. I must have been imagining things.

For someone who thinks he is so high and mighty, you make some pretty poor commentary, Mangar.

Does that satisfy you, Lilsub?

[Nexex]

hahah owned

[Scurry]

http://www.geocities.com/scurryrz/LV

(Valkar is a cool guy, so this is not directed at him)

[AD Nnuk]

"You seemed to have missed the point that Falchion was powerleveling one of his own characters, using two PCs."

This said by Scurry in regards to Nedrian's kill on Falchion.

Seems perfectly plausible, right?

Yet it appears that Falchion has a different version (http://boards.gamers.com/messages/message_view.asp?name=Primal_Instinct_RZ&id=zzzxg) of what transpired.

I'm kinda shocked you keep saying you don't want to get involved in politics, Scurry -- With all the mud slinging you're known for (and now the lying too) it seems to me that you should be running for office. ;-)

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Scurry]

Nnuk, my comment was based on previous conversations with Falchion that indicated he was powerleveling his own character recently on a separate PC. Falch's post was clearly after mine. Apparently it wasn't the same incident I had assumed and I can readily admit to making an incorrect assumption.

You missed a few other points to respond to, Nnuk. I find it amusing that you picked the one you actually had some valid response for. Good catch, though.

You want to talk about "mudslinging, politics and lying"? Tell me, Nnuk, do Mangar's comments qualify for these categories as well? After all, he did assume (as discounted in the thread you linked to), that Falchion was not powerleveling, just as I assumed that he was powerleveling on two PCs. He also comdemned people who wear only no drop; however, as we see from one of his own people's killshots (above), that members of his guild run around in no drop. Somehow, I doubt Valkar had an excuse of powerleveling anyone, considering he is a Shadowknight and was standing at the Nexus Scion waiting for a lift.

Show me the difference, Nnuk. I'm sure you are bright enough to see the parallel here, but I am also pretty sure that Mangar's dick is so far up your ass that you will downplay his shortcomings. You sell yourself short, Nnuk.

Spin me a yarn, Spin Doctor.

[AD Nnuk]

... I'm hurt.


"You missed a few other points to respond to, Nnuk."

Short on time, Scurry.

Portraits to process and, I'm sorry to say, there are others vying for my attention as well -- No hogging me all to yourself now! ;-)


"Good catch, though."

Thank you kindly.


"You want to talk about "mudslinging, politics and lying"? Tell me, Nnuk, do Mangar's comments qualify for these categories as well? After all, he did assume (as discounted in the thread you linked to), that Falchion was not powerleveling, just as I assumed that he was powerleveling on two PCs. "

I never said I believed Falchion's post, did I?

One could easily argue (and quite convincingly) that both you and Falchion were lying... Even if it was not very well coordinated.


"He also comdemned people who wear only no drop; however, as we see from one of his own people's killshots (above)"

Good catch. ;-)


"Show me the difference, Nnuk."

Sure thing.

Do the words "habitual" and "occasional" serve to illustrate the difference? Or must I really elaborate?


"but I am also pretty sure that Mangar's dick is so far up your ass that you will downplay his shortcomings."

Mangar is 3 feet tall -- He'd need a step ladder to reach my sexah Erudite ass.

But, that aside, he has never given me reason to highlight his shortcomings -- You have.

Think about it, silly -- I ignored your drivel for well over a year, Scurry, and would have gladly continued to do so had you not gone out of your way to attract my negative attention.


"You sell yourself short, Nnuk."

Indeed... "Humility" is my middle name.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Mortaneous]

Originally posted by Mangar
and i dont recall LV ever attacking you Mortaneous?)

Mangar
Guildmaster - Lucid Vision

I got bombed as soon as I ported into Sro the other day from LV. Don't say I'm bitching about it because I'm not.

Hama from AD engages as sooon as she see's us.

Bradic, Insidiot DB were running their mouth in Everfrost for quite a while, long enough for us to run their.

Taresleayn got corpse camped because he wouldn't shut his mouth. We kill him and it goes straight to the OMG LOL YER FAGS IRL, I'D KICK YOUR ASS IN A BAR. And its gets worse from there.

So, in all honesty, what would we think? Ghecko, Guz, and Nnuk please respond.

Not my choice, but I bet it wouldn't be hard to work together against then poonbies of Rallos. I was in TUS with fucking most of you.

http://home.attbi.com/~bneher/images/EQ000101.GIF

http://home.attbi.com/~bneher/images/EQ000103.GIF

[AD Nnuk]

"Hama from AD engages as sooon as she see's us."

The first encounter we had with Primal was when Scurry, Genrah, Falchion and Kheldor bind camped Cougr.

No "ur all fags" comments. No "i fucked ur m0m" comments. And no "ur guild suXX0rz" comments.

Hell.. He didn't have time -- He was already getting whacked again as he was reloading from the first death.

Of course I warned my people about your guild's apparent desire to pull an Insanity's Edge on my fellow Artists and of course they are going to attack on site.

What else would you have me/them do, Mort?

If we were just talking about a regular kill here I would be more pissed at Coug for getting caught than at you guys for whacking him -- But y'all took it WAY too far.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Scurry]

"I never said I believed Falchion's post, did I?

One could easily argue (and quite convincingly) that both you and Falchion were lying... Even if it was not very well coordinated."

If you sincerely believe that, that's pretty pathetic. If you don't (which would be my guess), then it just goes to show that you are such a pawn to Mangar that you wouldn't dare critique him.

Pretty sad, either way, Nnuk.

Hey, I heard about this new quest. The reward is a spine. You should go check it out.

As far as Cougr goes, he was attacked in Twilight Sea. He SS'd and gated into his bind spot inside a rock. We found him and killed him and took his robe. I have no recollection whatsoever that anyone corpse camped Cougr after that. If you are complaining that we sat and medded near his bind, then you have a separate issue. Cougr, who I always though was a decent guy, sends me tells complaining about how the dot icons never showed up and he couldn't dispell and how it was all BS, blah, blah, blah. Is that what you teach your people to do when they die fair and square? So, while he didn't make the exact comments you quote in your post, the intent of what was said was very similar. And Nnuk. Before you vigorously defend what took place, remember, you weren't there. I was. All you know is what your people feed you. Sounds to me like one of you AD is upset that he died fairly and is looking for someplace other than themselves to place the blame.

[Guznuk]

When a new guild comes along the KOS status of it in relation to other guilds is very confusing at first. This is why I came and asked what your guys plans were. Though I wish they would have the sense not to attack other PK guilds before we go over anything official, I can't guarantee they will have the sense not to attack you - thus your confrontations. I knew that would happen, and that's why I came and tried to talk to you guys about it in the least confrontational way I could but all I get from yas are "Fuck you, you guys attacked us, fuck you" which isn't very productive at all - you know that and I know that.

[AD Cougr]

I was there scurry....

Yes none of the dots that killed me showed up as the icons they should so I could easily dispell them as always with druids...It was also the dots that killed me not you...

As I am loading I get back and all ready genrah you and falchion are all ready unloading on me so I take off running and died a few feet later....

Come back from loading again and all ready you guys casting on me again...At that point I typed /q and logged on 20 minutes or so later...Now are you going to tell me I can't speak because I wasnt there?




Artfully Yours
Cougr
Artist of Death

[Scurry]

Speak all you want Cougr, I have an entirely different recollection of that. I recall one corpse of yours, sans robe, under your rock. I recall us medding at your rock. I recall us chasing you again in Twilight Sea a few nights later.

Like I said, I always considered you a decent guy, but we obviously don't share the same account of what transpired. As far as I was and am concerned, it was a good, fair kill and the fun of the moment and chase should have been enjoyed by all involved.

Guz, you didn't make very clear your intents with your post. I asked you the reason and you said "To determine if I should kill you or not". That's it, dude. If your intent was to extend some branch of diplomacy and try and settle this issue, I didn't get that, nor do I believe it was stated. My interpretation was, you are angry we have killed your guildmates and you want to make sure you are understanding the issue before you attack. Our response, was to advise our reasons for attacking, which I have done countless times already.

Aside from real life friends, Genrah, Mort and Kheldor, you have consistently been the one other PK I was comfortable turning my back on. But like I said, if you want to kill me over politics, which is precisely what this is, bring it.

[Guznuk]

When I said that (note the smiley face :-p), that is a simplified version of RZ "politics". All fluffy bullshit on messageboards aside - you kill mine I kill yours is how it goes. I didn't ( and why would I suddenly turn around on you after we had been cool for a while) have any intention of acting agressivley there. But the fact is, if you're killing my guildmates I'm obviously going to fight ya. As if you wouldn't do the same for Mort? That being said, I definetly hope you change your mind on kos policies with Primal.

[Scurry]

We'll change our policy when a few things happen.

(1) LV, DB and AD do not proactively attack us
(2) Loudmouths in these guilds, like Sid, Nedrian and Linguica tone down the rhetoric and comdemnation of Primal Instinct and accept us as a viable and fellow PK guild.

I fully expect that neither of these things will happen, nor do I really give a rats ass if they don't. Worst case scenario, we are in the same boat we sit in today, being attacked by anti's and PK's alike. Some of us have been dealing with that for 50+ levels and enjoy the challenge. However; you inquired, so I responded.

[Guznuk]

I hoped personally you would change your mind. If you don't want to and want to try and state conditions of you not attacking *us*.. well /laugh :-p

[AD Cougr]

Guzzy I don't mean this insulting but are you still on legends or back on rallos yet? I heard you were back but forgot from who or where...



Artfully Yours
Cougr
Artist of Death

[Scurry]

If you were expecting...

"Yes, AD, Yes LV, Yes DB...you have attacked us unprovoked in the past, despite being PKs, you have shit talked and pissed and moaned about how sorry our guild was, but we would like to kiss your asses so much and be your friends that we will stop attacking you and you can continue to attack us and continue to insult us and continue to degrade our guild!"

...then you had some very poor expectations to begin with.

[AD Nnuk]

"If you sincerely believe that, that's pretty pathetic. If you don't (which would be my guess), then it just goes to show that you are such a pawn to Mangar that you wouldn't dare critique him."

Scurry... Listen up, ok?

I play the role of an ultra-egotistical Erudite and, to a certain extent, I'm a bit of an egomaniac behind the keyboard also.

But that doesn't mean I am going to start slamming Mangar simply because you're trying to bait me into it -- I've been at this far longer than you have, bud, and you'll have to do MUCH better than that.


"Cougr, who I always though was a decent guy, sends me tells complaining about how the dot icons never showed up and he couldn't dispell and how it was all BS, blah, blah, blah. Is that what you teach your people to do when they die fair and square?"

It's a bug, Scurry... And it happens -- The game is riddled with 'em.

That wasn't an accusation of cheating or anything... I don't believe that you have the technical knowhow to pull something like that off purposefully even if you wanted to.


"So, while he didn't make the exact comments you quote in your post, the intent of what was said was very similar."

No, Scurry. It wasn't.

He had a right to be pissed about the bug -- Hell I've gone totally apeshit when similar stuff happens to me.


"And Nnuk. Before you vigorously defend what took place, remember, you weren't there. I was. All you know is what your people feed you."

I don't expect you to understand this, Scurry, but the fact of the matter is that longtime members don't even bother lying to me cause they know I'll find out and rip them a new one for it.

Artists can find themselves exiled from the guild for far less than blatantly lying to me and there is very little that can convince me Coug is willing to risk that to cover up a run-of-the-mill death.


"Sounds to me like one of you AD is upset that he died fairly and is looking for someplace other than themselves to place the blame."

Again.. Nobody accused you of cheating/hacking/exploiting.

But it'll take a shitload of convincing for me to believe that he chose not to simply pumice the DOTs off -- Something he's been doing daily for over a year.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[AD Nnuk]

"Yes, AD, Yes LV, Yes DB...you have attacked us unprovoked in the past, despite being PKs, you have shit talked and pissed and moaned about how sorry our guild was...."

Ahem...

"I leave AD out of the equation for now, as, as much as I chide Nnuk, I'm sure he's a decent guy and I can't think of one thing AD has done to us in the past." [Click here (http://boards.gamers.com/messages/message_view.asp?name=lvpublic&id=zzvah) for complete post, context, date, etc]

Anyhow.. I'm out of this for a bit -- I promised some gallery updates to our much loved Art Patrons and I've fallen way behind schedule.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Scurry]

Durrrr, Nnuk. If you read that post, you would see that I was providing the sort of policy change that I imagined Guznuk to be asking for.

[Ghecko]

( Edit: This is one long freaking post - more power to you if you make it to the bottom - I suggest printing it out and taking it to the shitter with you )

I wasn't there Mort so i can't comment honestly, but seeing the 5-in-a-row bind camping pics PI posted on thier own site of Tareslaeyn (DB), I find it hard to believe that you guys wouldn't do such a thing to Cougr (AD).

In Scurrys defense:
Just because you (Scurry) organizes a PK guild, does not mean he has to conform to whatever sense of comroderie the other PK guilds have established. PK = Freedom to do whatever the fuck you want, weather it's PKing _anyone_ including other PKs, sitting in a Bazzar playing Acey Deucy, hanging with your anti friends, or using 3rd person view to look up female gnome robes.

He was probably attacked and insulted by DB / LV / AD / MANY others in the past and probably up until recently.

Being a PK means never having to say you're sorry. You dont have to kiss anyones ass, or be allied with anyone you dislike.

If Mangar, Nnuk, and 801 decide tomorrow hunt each other down mercilessly, that is thier perrogative. They are after all, PK guilds.

For the time being we seem to be enjoying a symbiotic type of relationship.

Does LV really need DB or AD to do epics ? Hell no. Do we NEED LV or AD to help DB for epics or raids? Not without TONS of planning and participation of the entire guild. I wont lie to you there.

The other night we did an epic piece for Aytowun. We couldn't have done it without AD, AY, and LV.

What did LV get out of it ? Probably nothing more than exp loss, and some good Karma. If any of those guys ever needed DB to help them with _anything_ you know what ? You can bet your ass we would drop what we're doing and be there for them. If DB and LV were in a zone and LV were getting nailed by anti's, we'd be there to back them up without them even having to ask.

The whole DB / LV / AD / AY relationship is a mutually beneficial, albeit fragile one since there are absolutely NO formal alliances set in stone or being discussed as far as I know.

Add to that the decision of one guild-leader would never affect anothers - hence that kind of faction is a real bitch to get.

Trust me the guild-leaders involved know how precious, powerful, and delicate that convergence of power is and they see a big picture (think of three people holding keys which if turned in unison can set off some major atomic warfare) ... start seeing the big picture ?

I happen to like Scurry and some of the people in PI. But it means squat when your loyalty is 'Guild and Guildmates First'. When PI corpse camped Tare, it lost any non kos status they had with DB and _all_ of its members. If that ever changes it would be up to the guildleader (801) to decide.

If you want to be hunted and hunt fellow PK's nobody would blame you. You ARE a pk guild. You could all just keep talking smack back and forth amongst yourselves, owning each other, and it would be business as usual.

If you even desire to change your stance on that I would probably suggest talking directly (PM) with Mangar, Nnuk, and 801. No saying you should ever kiss ass, and I know you have alot of pride (not unlike myself) but as a guild Leader your members expect you to have some sort of diplomacy in handling tough situations, as well as clearly defined goals (ie: we smoke everyone)

To be honest they will probably:

A. Tell you go to fuck yourself.
B. Kill you, then tell you to go fuck yourself.
C. Empregnante your dog, then tell you to go fuck yourself.
D. Maybe chalk it up as a misunderstanding and extend a professional courtesy to your guild, let bygones be bygones...then empregnate your cat.

[DArkfrost187]

I never said anything about me going to a bar,and kicking your asses in RL. THats exaggeration at the fullest Mort. DArkenevil said in the zone "Boy I would feel like the biggest fool here","You ran your mouth,now your owned". I responded back that "its not like I went into a RL bar,and ran my mouth leading to me getting my ass kicked". Than I told the zone and PI that its just a damn game,and nothing but a game. Darkenevil like the adolescent immature asshole he is,and always was, starts flaming me with like 900 tells a minute being a dumbass gimp. Also I never whined other than the time you were bind camping my ass in the cave. See Scurry I respect your guild to an extent but the one that makes your guild gimped is Darkenevil AKA Castback {banned another account} AKA Orleander {brothers account he uses} AKA Hinelil {banned first account} AKA Diezkiler. Thats the problem I have with your guild. I killed Darkenevil characters too many times,and he couldnt handle it. So now hes always going to be a little bitch.
If you would put the kids in line more,than I would welcome your guild with open arms. It wasnt necessary using me as a quote to represent who disses PI. I dont want you to fail,but everytime I try to be cool with you,it doesnt work.
JUst like Mort he gotta be a dick always. Christ I remember I thought he was the coolest kat when I pked with him {Satus} and Razy,and SBB,TON,AF in SK.
Quit holding grudges on all the past bullshit I said,like I can forget what you said about me {leave the boards out of the game}

[Guznuk]

I wasn't asking you for a policy Scurry, I just said that personally I hoped you changed your mind which I still do. Doesn't require any ass kissing at all.

[Scurry]

There's more than our minds that need to be changed, Guz. Right now, it's apparent that DB, LV, AD all consider PI to be KOS.

In order for this to work, both sides would need to change their minds, which is all I stated. If we change ours and they don't change theirs, what purpose does that serve?

Sid, I won't comment too much. You can be funny sometimes and have an odd wit to you, but you ran your mouth incessantly that night. Like I said, Darkenevil has been nothing but a good guild member for us. Until he proves otherwise to me, he will remain in our guild.

[PureKovak]

Originally posted by Scurry
If you were expecting...

"Yes, AD, Yes LV, Yes DB...you have attacked us unprovoked in the past, despite being PKs, you have shit talked and pissed and moaned about how sorry our guild was, but we would like to kiss your asses so much and be your friends that we will stop attacking you and you can continue to attack us and continue to insult us and continue to degrade our guild!"

...then you had some very poor expectations to begin with.

scurry, you are giving yourself way too much credit. the only reason we heard of you is because you came trolling on LV's board looking for members, and even posted that you'd invite some people that we told no. also, nice quote section on your website, although i'm not sure the point of it :(

[Ghecko]

In an effort to save people a shitload of reading...


Uber Summary of this whole thread :

I want to empregnate cats and dogs.
Scurry wont let me fuck his parakeet.

That is all. Nothing to see here. Move along please.

[Scurry]

It's a actually a Cockatiel. And please keep your penis away from it.

Thanks.

[Ghecko]

prude

[Lilsub]

Originally posted by Scurry


You missed a few other points to respond to, Nnuk. I find it amusing that you picked the one you actually had some valid response for. Good catch, though.


So you'd prefer that he debated points he had no answer to? Good idea.

Scurry your post here on page four that starts something like, "there's more than our minds that need to be changed, Guz"
is certainly one of your better posts. You actually came off as the leader of a guild, who knew what diplomacy was. For that, /applause.