Rumor about a BIG change to EQ PvP

[GrayRage]

I have heard from a source "inside" that the following is being considered to offset the losses of folks some upcoming MMOGs will cause EQ as follows:

All PvP servers will be shut down. 3 new servers will be created with the following rule sets:

1. RZ Rules
2. VZ/TZ Rules (hard coding teams though)
3. SZ Rules (with an adjustment to teams and the ability to change teams based on the adjustment).

When logging on you will be given a choice as to which new server you wish to play on and then a few other choices based on which server you pick (like the team you will play on).

Notice: This is only rumor. I do not claim it as a fact just a rumor I heard form someone who might have some inside info and not be full of shit. So don't go whining to me about it not happening when it does or does not happen.

[Arri Skywolf]

um...
Yeah they're going to not lose customers by deleting *shutting down the servers* their characters...

[Nexex]

SZ is gona fold, not rz tho..

[Noobe]

If this happens, im moving to TZ/VZ ruleset server. If they combine it into one server, it will have a higher population then the average blueserver!

[GrayRage]

Arri Skywolf um...
Yeah they're going to not lose customers by deleting *shutting down the servers* their characters...

Did anyone else think I said they were gonna delete our characters?

[AD Nnuk]

"Did anyone else think I said they were gonna delete our characters?"

Not I.

However... I don't really see how such a plan would offset a loss of players -- It could conceivably redistribute them though.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Jimmee]

It would reduce the number of server from 4 unpopulated servers, to 3 slightly less unpopulated servers.

And it would allow people with long time characters on one server type to move to the server type they want them on, so there's a chance of retaining these people as customers.

[Leebowitze]

YEa, for a small fee I bet.... Another scheme to get more loot from our pockets..ROFL...


/Shrug


Perturbed

[Ghecko]

So the next logical question is ....

Where's everybody going ? :)

[AD Nnuk]

"It would reduce the number of server from 4 unpopulated servers, to 3 slightly less unpopulated servers."

RZ's population hasn't really changed much -- They're just higher level and hiding out in various dungeons rather than Oasis.

I suspect the same is true for Vallon/Tallon -- Though they should have been merged a long time ago.

SZ... Well.. I'm afraid I just don't see a massive exodus of people heading there -- I'll explain why below.


"And it would allow people with long time characters on one server type to move to the server type they want them on."

Human beings tend to naturally follow the path of least resistence.

So, given the options Gra brought up, I'd say that most of the remaining non-evils on SZ would opt for Tallon/Vallon since their precious trinkets remain unlootable while avoiding the exp deaths suffered on SZ.

As for Rallos... A significant percentage of the blue tinted guilds would move en masse to the Tallon/Vallon environment as well (for the same reason).

Assuming the above is accurate (and I'd bet my last tube of paint on it)... That would leave the following:

1) A basically evil-only SZ with a few folks fighting the good (or neutral, as the case may be) fight
2) An RZ with greatly reduced numbers -- Likely around SZ's current state
3) A grossly overpopulated Tallon/Vallon filled to the brim with born again bluebies talking shit with impunity -- A Fennin Ro with Perma-Duels.

Ya know.. The more I think about it -- The more it sounds like something SoE would consider to be brilliance incarnate.

But I digress...

Assuming it is not simply rumor... I cannot believe that the powers that be have customer retention as a motive in this instance -- If (and that is a BIG "if") another game comes out that is superior PvP-wise... Folks will go no matter which Zek they are playing on at the time and SoE's bean counters surely know this.

It could, however, be a way of eventually shutting down 2 PvP servers without causing a PR nightmare since they could always fall back on the "We gave the people a choice and they have spoken!" defense. And why not? It sure worked when they made Tallon/Vallon into Coin Only servers.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[GrayRage]

I believe the rational is this:

the basic reformation of the servers will allow them to fix the basic problems with each server. On SZ they can better balance the teams 9without really admitting they fucke3d up int he first place). On the VZ/TZ server they can hardcode the teams and rebalance. On Rallos they can make a decision on looting rules and perhaps adjust the level restriction.

It will also perhaps regain people's interest as some seperatated communitties and guilds could get back togther thus regenerating interest. It will also let them close down one server making the three PvP servers more populated and cutting costs.

[Arri Skywolf]

Originally posted by GrayRage
I have heard from a source "inside" that the following is being considered to offset the losses of folks some upcoming MMOGs will cause EQ as follows:

All PvP servers will be shut down. 3 new servers will be created
blah blah blah, I'm Gayraige talking about PvP when I'm on legends.

What the fuck do you think it means to shut down the servers? However if you said they were going to restructure the ruleset of the servers and possibly merge TZ/VZ, then no, no one would be under the assumption that their characters might get deleted.

[Arri Skywolf]

Oh, by the way, I looked at the top of this board and it says it's only moderated by Meter... so...

Fuck Grayfag, he's a stupid piece of shit whining motherfucker and can kiss my ass. Don't fucking talk to us Rallos Zek players, because you couldn't fucking hack it, you stupid cocksucker.

[Nexex]

hahahaha

[Mzion]

I think RZ would plumet in population with this to many people scared about there uber loots will go TV VZ or SZ and a mass of Newbies will flood RZ for lv 9 killing its funny watchs lv 9 over tiwnked newbes smash other twinked newbes for no real purpose other then make the untwinked newbies have hell...


anyway if this happens i say fuck you to VI and stay on RZ

[Hamadryad]

Arri if you don't have anything productive to contribute, please, for gods sake shut up.

-Hamadryad
Artist of Death

[Arri Skywolf]

How about no? Going to do something about it?

[GrayRage]

Arri Skywolf
Saltine kinda man.

Registered: Nov 2001
Location: Tucson, Arizona
Posts: 309
Oh, by the way, I looked at the top of this board and it says it's only moderated by Meter... so...


I am an admin of the entire thing and can put my name up there as moderator if it pleased me. It would not make a difference though as anything you say is meaningless to me just as if a Gnat was angry at me for killing it's fellow gnat


Fuck Grayfag, he's a stupid piece of shit whining motherfucker and can kiss my ass. Don't fucking talk to us Rallos Zek players, because you couldn't fucking hack it, you stupid cocksucker



Do i know you? Ahhh...I suppose i do not. You are simply another insignificant infdividual who seeks attention from his betters in any manner whatsoever. it surely must be a thrill for such as you to actually receive a response from me. I am sorry to say, however, that after i hit the post button here, i will have forgotten you and your post and prolly will just glance (if that) on anything you else you might say.

Whilst you will obviously continue to know me, dream of me and obviously have some kind of hang up about me for the rest of your life.

Enjoy obscurity....and in your case....a tad of stupidity. /wave


PS Another reason we do not ban or get rid of folks such as yourself, as you are amusing. it also reminds us of how superior we are to such as yourself....and so in a way, you sorta stroke our egos with your inferior intellect. So for that, thank you for being ignorant...and well...a peasant.

[Rahne Sinclair]

Outta curiosity, you left Rallos for Sullon, made it perfectly clear to everyone that you did, now all the sudden your posting on here, and answering people's flames which is something you've never done before, you've always stuck to the Sullon board for 99% of your posting here.


Why?

[Hamadryad]

Arri I'm just telling you that you have become one of those posters who has nothing significant to contribute so all he does is flame, and spam up a perfectly good thread with useless bullshit.

-Hamadryad
Artist of Death

[Lovaelihn]

Originally posted by GrayRage


It would not make a difference though as anything you say is meaningless to me just as if a Gnat was angry at me for killing it's fellow gnat




Yeah, we can tell... how many paragraphs did you post in response to his one? :p

Gray, you just gotta give RZ people a wide berth... Carebears are not very welcome here.

[Rahne Sinclair]

hah. Wow.


That was a nice stab.

[Ghecko]

Ahem...

Back to my unanswered question ...Where are you people going to go ?

If this event indeed takes place (VI merging servers) it seems as tho RZ people would have thier hand forced...

Personally I think i'd pick the "RZ" type board, and I'll tell you why.

As much fun as SZ sounds, I'd be 'forced' to play a role of an evil Iksar Monk. Even tho I am an evil iksar monk on RZ (hehe), I would not be able to go PK with my friends and such.

It almost seems improbable that ANY rz guild would go to an sz type server (using char transfer im assuming VI would have to provide) as the guild would be splintered. Goods here, Neuts there, Evils there... etc.


Anyway just tryin to 'un-derail' this thread.

[GrayRage]

Outta curiosity, you left Rallos for Sullon, made it perfectly clear to everyone that you did, now all the sudden your posting on here, and answering people's flames which is something you've never done before, you've always stuck to the Sullon board for 99% of your posting here

Because I felt like it? Or was I supposed to seek your permission?

Yeah, we can tell... how many paragraphs did you post in response to his one

Ahhh, I forgot the old "posting to many paragraghs means you care" rule. I am busted. i really love...whoever that was who orignally flamed me...

Gray, you just gotta give RZ people a wide berth... Carebears are not very welcome here.

hah. Wow.


That was a nice stab.

Ahh yes, I am in tears :(

As always, I am selling my dirty undies to those of you who continue desire to sniff my ass.

[GrayRage]

Asentertaining as the flames and such are, anyone who actually has any thoughts on this, please post. I am curious as to what those on RZ think of it.

[AD Nnuk]

"thank you for being ignorant...and well...a peasant."

[immediately contacts the AD Legal Dept to see about a possible suit for copyright infringement]

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Ghecko]

Originally posted by GrayRage
Asentertaining as the flames and such are, anyone who actually has any thoughts on this, please post. I am curious as to what those on RZ think of it.

My post was engulfed between flamage.
Anyway to reiterate...

I think the RZ people are being given a non-option.

If they are in a guild and the guild picks any of the other servers (SZ / TZ + VZ) the guild goes poof and is insta-splintered into classes or diety choices.

I highly doubt VI woud give you the option to pick a diety of choice regardless of your race/class/diety on RZ.

[Nexex]

Originally posted by Hamadryad
Arri I'm just telling you that you have become one of those posters who has nothing significant to contribute so all he does is flame, and spam up a perfectly good thread with useless bullshit.

-Hamadryad
Artist of Death

I try my hardest to do that...:)

[Nexex]

Originally posted by AD Nnuk
"thank you for being ignorant...and well...a peasant."

[immediately contacts the AD Legal Dept to see about a possible suit for copyright infringement]

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

har har.

[Rahne Sinclair]

Originally posted by GrayRage


Because I felt like it? Or was I supposed to seek your permission?



Nah. You do what you want. Just looks to me like your trying to be slick and build a little anger from Rallos people, like your planning some grand return. Look at you all grown up and wearing big daddy's cotton panties. Don't mistake someone with a question in their head, with someone who gives a damn about someone who's means nothing to him.


Originally posted by GrayRage


Ahh yes, I am in tears :(

As always, I am selling my dirty undies to those of you who continue desire to sniff my ass.

Well, if calling you a bluebie brings you to tears, I would suggest staying away from Rallos in any fashion, I'm sure the whole "Look at me I'm a pk'er who's superior to you, HEY! my char was moved to a blue server" hypocrisy would grab a couple people's fancy.

Oh, you can respond to this in some "I think I'm better than you" monotone talk, or do something else blatantly homo erotic. But we all see what's behind curtain #2.

See ya.

[Lilsub]

I'd stay on rallos zek. Even if I was 100 percent anti, I'd stay on rallos zek. I chose this server for the risk it entails. I have fun with that.

(cheers for self for sticking to the thread topic)

edit: typo

[Kyleigh]

I guess the question here, is how many DB ran to Legends to lvl up, or get gear, before going back to SZ or coming back to RZ? Gray, you can give excuses regarding the pvp mode of Zek servers and manaburn all you want, but you're still going back before anything is done, correct? Manaburn and other issues regarding pvp is still sadly broken. And you're going back to SZ with gear from Legends that can't be looted. At least the people who are going from Legends to RZ have a risk involved.

Just asking, afterall, you all at one time have screamed at us anti's in regards to "go to a blue server if you don't like pvp". But you went to a blue server to do exactly what us anti's were trying to do.

Seriously, let's see names. Who went to Legends? Guznuk bitched at Gray for going, yet a month later, he transferred to legends. Although he wasn't in DB, he ended up being a pot calling the kettle black. As well as many other pkers who couldn't cut experiencing AND pvping on RZ, therefore they went to Legends. But yet, the die hard RZ anti's, who didn't leave to do so, are still considered pussies.

/boggle

As much as you people rip on Scurry, he didn't leave RZ, he stayed, and he stayed being a pk. He didn't turn anti because his "bros" of DB left (ahem Bradic, Aytowun, Damphier, Rykker). All of you went to non pk guilds when DB left RZ. Scurry stayed, and yet, he's called everything from a pussy to a moron because he's doing what you all couldn't handle and you all went to Legends to accomplish it.

As much as I can't stand Arri, he's in the same boat as Scurry. He stayed on RZ as a pker, although he doesn't play much, that's another story.

So before you throw stones at anti's bitching about wanting to level up, get good gear, get NO drop gear, and not be ganked while trying to do so, remember, how many of you went to Legends? And how many are going back to SZ better geared then before, because they didn't have to worry about pvp while acquiring gear? And they now have gear that can NEVER be looted?

This isn't a flame, just an observation. You guys bitched at anti's for 3 years now, yet when the heat is turned up, you go to Legends to get gear and experience. You have to give anti's who never left RZ some credit for sticking with the true pvp enviroment and risk, to this day, losing gear by the hands of portal gankers.

So, who really belongs on RZ? Anti's who put up with pkers shit while trying to get things done, or pkers who can't take being attacked by anti's and have to go to Legends to get gear and level?

The die hard pkers I can respect to a certain extent. But for all of DB who left to get loot and level on Legends? You're not truly pvp gamers, so enough of the "we pwned j00" crap. =/

[Nexex]

Originally posted by Kyleigh


The die hard pkers I can respect to a certain extent. But for all of DB who left to get loot and level on Legends? You're not truly pvp gamers, so enough of the "we pwned j00" crap. =/

Totally agree..

[Lilsub]

People treat EverQuest as real life with pixels. Sadly, that's not true. The fact is, I don't care if someone runs around with a character who has a splintered plunger sticking out of their ass, if they're having fun, they > you who whines constantly about the sorry state of the game.

Who gives a crap if they went to Legends? Furthermore, who gives a crap that they went to legends after saying people on blue servers were wimps or what have you? I certainly don't. The only reason I'd care is if I was desperate to try and look good by point out that (HOLY crap!) people aren't perfect, people change their minds.

But then again, who wants simple reason on the internet.

[Hamadryad]

It's pretty hard to exp as a pker. In fact, it's really really hard. I have been trained exping three times in 24 hours, twice documented in this .jpg

http://www.artfuldeath.com/galleries_current/hamadryad/misc/lame_ass_antis.jpg


So yes, I have a ton of respect for pkers who managed to spend 10 times the amount of time anti's did to accomplish their goals. But I just didn't have that kind of time, so I understand when people want to go to Legends to get stuff done quickly. Everquest is such a stupid game. It takes hours and hours and hours of play every day to accomplish anything, I hate it, and it's so much worse as a pker, or on Sullon Zek, it's so much worse asa neutral or goody. Evils can go from level 1-60 avoiding pvp because of their numbers, and trust me, many DO.


-Hamadryad
Artful Death

[Rykker]

Seriously pvp depends so much on gear i think its just that you lose a puece+coin in pvp death.If you dont wear resist gear,you gonna die in some sense.Hp gear is droppable too.Atleast risk jewelery,So much no drop available,get some or lose gear.At the very least lose coin which is the team servers risk.Team servers restrict who you can hit and i dont like that.Sz,exp loss?EQ is a neverending exp cycle losing exp for pvp death isnt what im really into.And exp loss to pets get real,if verant cared about pvp SZ could be ok but its still a team server and those restrictions no matter what let ppl avoid pvp.And crossteaming...lets not even get into it.Bottom line even if your no drop your still at par with a team server,coin loss still the same with tz/vz,SZ is exp loss and thats even not balanced since half the ppl on my own team i cant stand.Team servers=bullshit.Looting someone for lewt is still way more enjoyable,and i commend ppl who wear lootable items without sacrificing stats.You still have no drop to fall back on dont take it so hard.Rz rulesets is the shit sorry.

[Rahne Sinclair]

People on both sides of the fence like to train and exp kill. I will admit it happens MUCH more to pk'ers. But it still happens. I guess I shouldn't disrespect people that chose to go to legends, it's your money, it's your game so to speak. I just feel like the Pk'ers who stick it out on the PvP server deserve a little more respect, cause they could level AND take the hardship of being a pk'er.

It shows that you can tough it out.


TZ/VZ ruleset sucks. SZ ruleset sucks, I feel pretty much the way Rykker does.

[AD Nnuk]

... Coloring Antis as survivalists is... Well.. It's friggin nuts is what it is.

Fact of the matter is that Antis have had their own "Stormhammer" for years -- All they had to do was "lvl up" a bit and go hide out in the many bluebie havens which exist(ed) on Rallos and they almost never had to see another "PK" again.

Of course this is slowly changing as most of us grow weary of listening to our inferiors crow about their "Uberness" but that is beside the point.

I will conceed that the vast majority of peeps that went to Legends are, in my book, "sell outs" (the exception to this being primarily melee characters) but I am also quite confident that most of them did so out of the frustration of being trained and exploited by UberAntis that know damn well they don't measure up without using such tactics.

As for the blue hue which surrounds Sullon... That subject may be best left for another day. ;-)

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[AD Nnuk]

Have you ever felt a twinge of fear when watching a horror movie?

Yes?

Does this mean you're a delusional fuckwit that believes in vampires and werewolves?

No? But... It's just a movie, by golly -- Why on earth would it frighten you?

Have you read The Hobbit or some other fantasy book? Know when, after reading for a little while, you become totally engrossed in the tale? That is the goal of reading a piece of fiction, is it not? To lose yourself in the story for a little while?

Do you enjoy being disturbed every few minutes by someone constantly poking you to remind you that it's not real? What do you think of such a person? Rude? Arrogant? Just plain ignorant about what "suspension of disbelief" means?

Have you never masturbated while thinking of some famous individual or, perhaps, while looking at porn? You have? Well then... Surely that makes you a nut, doesn't it? After all... Your chances of fucking Tom Cruise aren't exactly stellar, are they?

When I am "in character", so to speak, it doesn't make me a borderline lunatic with delusions of being able to fry my cat by pointing at it -- It simply makes me a guy that is playing his ROLE in a ROLE playing game and, in that context, Norrath most certainly is "real life with pixels".

Just like Jason, Freddy or Micheal are very "real" in the moment that your adrenalin surges as a stiffled scream escapes your lips.

Now I understand the point you're (constantly) trying to make...

"if they're having fun, they > you who whines constantly about the sorry state of the game."

Well, m'lady, if you honestly believe that... Why do you find it so damn important to continually "whine" about people that are doing precisely what you preach: Having fun?

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

ps You felt a range of emotions as you were reading my post, m'lady: Slight surprise at seeing your name as the subject line of one of my posts... A twinge of embarassment/shock when I mentioned masturbation... Perhaps even a bit of anger at having your position argued with.

Why? It's just a message board. ;-)

[Lilsub]

Originally posted by AD Nnuk
"if they're having fun, they > you who whines constantly about the sorry state of the game."

Well, m'lady, if you honestly believe that... Why do you find it so damn important to continually "whine" about people that are doing precisely what you preach: Having fun?

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

ps You felt a range of emotions as you were reading my post, m'lady: Slight surprise at seeing your name as the subject line of one of my posts... A twinge of embarassment/shock when I mentioned masturbation... Perhaps even a bit of anger at having your position argued with.

Why? It's just a message board. ;-)

You assume a lot Nnuk, but I respect that you're not just another idiot so I will respond.

I don't continually whine about people having fun. I don't have a clue where you get that from.

As to your p.s. it's probably one of the least intelligent things I've ever heard you say. After being exposed to the blatant stupidity of people such as Nexex, I don't feel a thing seeing my name as the subject of someone's post, and truth be told I didn't even notice mine was the title of yours.

I was neither embarassed, nor shocked over the topic of masturbation. Hi, I'm human, I masturbate, welcome to the world.

If I got angry over my position on something being argued with I would sew my lips shut, and certainly not post on a board such as this, where people argue simply to argue. You brought up a lot of points, but it's all aside from the point. And that is that no matter what someone is doing, whether you view it as stupid or not, it doesn't matter. I know people who are "on top" of this game. They have done Vex Thal, and what most players will never see. And most of them aren't happy, so I give my rounds of applause to the level 5 who thrills at killing "A Skeleton" for the first time, much more than I do at my friends killing of AoW for the 20th time.

EQ is NOT life in pixels. It is a game, and if you don't like it, don't play it. But again, who wants to hear common sense on a message board.

[Kyleigh]

"Looting someone for lewt is still way more enjoyable,and i commend ppl who wear lootable items without sacrificing stats."

With the way RZ is today, and has been, wearing valuable, droppable gear when porting or in popular zones isn't an option.

When I see the screenshots of the "one hit wonder" manaburn pking wizzies, say all you want that they can pvp, but we all know using manaburn doesn't take skill. That's not even an argument, it's ridiculous. I don't even question the victim's pvp skill, no one has a chance to even try their pvp skills with manaburn in this game.

I realize all pkers have different opinions, different play styles, as us anti's do. But the point of my post was to basically say, enough of calling anti's pussies, when, for the most part, the ones who stayed on RZ for pvp, regardless of it's many flaws, deserve a bit more credit then pkers who called us pussies, then left for Legends.

Nnuk, as far as anti's hiding in bluebie zones? How many times have you, or any of the old DBers hunted Ice Giants, away from the crowds of people? Don't talk about anti's hiding in bluebie zones when, before the Surefall port, getting to Everfrost was too much of a bitch to bother going to.

That was the pkers experience bluebie haven.

[AD Nnuk]

"EQ is NOT life in pixels. It is a game, and if you don't like it, don't play it. But again, who wants to hear common sense on a message board."

Repeating your point Ad Inifitium is all good... But try to back it up, please. For example...

Here is my statement: Perception is reality.

Here is (yet another example of) my reasoning behind it:

I used to visit the "Salon des Sciences Occultes" yearly when I was younger and one of the regular features was a hypnotist.

Among other things he'd invite people on stage, have his pendulum sway before their eyes and "put them under". oh sure.. He'd do the "You think you're a chicken" routine but the one that really got my attention was the Mustard.

What mustard?

Well.. He'd suggest that a bowl of mustard was chocolate pudding and, sure enough, the subjects would dig in with more gusto than Bill Cosby used to slurp Jell-O Pudding Pops.

Now... Did he magically transform the mustard into pudding? Of course not.

Yet to the subjects -- at that precise moment -- the mustard most certainly was chocolate pudding... Their perception was a reality to their senses.

Now don't you think the show would have been a bit more boring if some annoying individual ran up on stage to scream "IT'S MUSTARD, DAMMIT! AND IT'S NOT EVEN GREY POUPON!" every few minutes? ;-)

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

ps It's just a message board -- Why would someone change their posting name/account every few months? Could it be due to a desire to be perceived differently? ;-)

[AD Nnuk]

"Nnuk, as far as anti's hiding in bluebie zones? How many times have you, or any of the old DBers hunted Ice Giants, away from the crowds of people? Don't talk about anti's hiding in bluebie zones when, before the Surefall port, getting to Everfrost was too much of a bitch to bother going to.

That was the pkers experience bluebie haven."

DB hunted IGs regularly for what? A coupla months or so -- Tops? And it was hardly a "safe" area for 'em... Any measure of safety they had there was gained the hard way.

As for me... Let me preface my response by stating: HAHAHAHA

I arrived in EF at lvl 4 during a period when one would hear "DIE ERUDITE SCUM!!!" whenever one would come through BlackBurrow. It is true that folks eventually stopped hunting me while I was exping -- But that was mainly due to their survival instinct kicking in.

Hell.. For like 2 years it was essentially me and 20-50 Antis -- Hardly a safe haven, wouldn't you say? Try hunting (PvP and PvE) in a zone populated by 20-50 DB/LV/AD/etc and then you might be in a position to comment on how "safe" it is. ;-)

I do agree, however, with the spirit of what you were trying to say... I'm no fan of yours but I do respect the fact that you didn't jump ship.

Now hush up and pose, dammit! ;-)

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

ps PKs (and artists!) are the victims of portal gank (training and every other exploit in the book) attempts MUCH more often than Antis are -- We're talking A LOT more. More than you'd believe if you haven't lived it.

[Rahne Sinclair]

Originally posted by Lilsub


Hi, I'm human, I masturbate, welcome to the world.




ALRIGHT!!!!!

[Noobe]

Lilsub masturbates!?!?!

[Guznuk]

Originally posted by Kyleigh

With the way RZ is today, and has been, wearing valuable, droppable gear when porting or in popular zones isn't an option.


That's funny.. me and most of my friends have always worn gear.

[Kyleigh]

and now you'll be wearing Legends gear.

How quaint.

[Mearis]

Guz, you and 'your' friends in range of 60 have never ever worn gear, the only pk who I have ever seen wear gear since the introduction of manaburn and is in range of 60 is Mangar, every single other pk is always in full no drop, it doesn't take any balls to wear gear at level 52 as a shaman in an outdoor zone so get off your high horse.

[Damphier]

...I didn't leave for Legends, I just don't play. Don't know where the hell you got that idea. Maybe in one of your childish, bitchy, neurotic, woman moods?

[Ghecko]

911 - I'd like to report some domestic violence...

Damphier is bitch slapping some woman up in here...up in here

[Kyleigh]

reread my post, before you have a melt down.

I said you guys joined anti guilds while DB was gone, not that you went to Legends.

sheez

[Scurry]

Very nice post, Kyleigh.

I find it hard to fathom that anyone can defend going to Legends to get gear as anything other than "selling out" Rallos Zek for some bluebie paradise. The apex of the hypocrisy is realized when folks who condemned (1) People on blue servers for playing without risk (2) People who left Rallos Zek to go to Legends to get gear, actually go to Legends themselves to get gear and see no moral dilemma therewithin.

And Nnuk, I got a charge out of your agreement that people who left Rallos for Legends were sell outs, "except for melees". You wouldn't have happened to have said that with Hamadryad in the back of your mind, now would you? Your spine gets weaker every day, Nnuk. It's a shame your morals change depending on whose dick is scheduled for deposit in your rectum on any given day.

Sure, leveling as a PK sucks balls on Rallos sometimes. I can't remember how many times I had rounded up 4 wyverns in CS and gotten them within one or two DD's, only to have some jokers start pouring dots and dd's into me, having to gate out with no mana, no experience and a lot of wasted time. Sure it sucked and was a royal pain in the ass, but every time it happened it made those 4 wyverns that I finally did manage to kill in peace all the more special.

Sometimes it's not always the easiest route that proves the most entertaining.

[Nexex]

Originally posted by Ghecko
911 - I'd like to report some domestic violence...

Damphier is bitch slapping some woman up in here...up in here

hah

[Morb]

I don't know whether Gray posted this to get attention, or whether he really genuinely believed some dipshit spewing forth rumors ("manaburn nerf" anyone?).

Either way, this is not going to happen. It's possible that when EQ begins losing some of it's customer base some servers may be merged (with a choice between a selective number of servers via movelog; for obvious reasons the pvp servers would most likely all be in one merge genre) but since there are still well over 400k active subscriptions to EverQuest this is not happening any time soon.

Want a time frame? Consider this: I played Ultima Online when I was 12 years old. Now I'm an adult and UO still has 120,000 active subscribers, and none of their servers have been consolidated.

[AD Nnuk]

... Look it up.

You're welcome to continue trying, of course, but your efforts are pretty futile. ;-)


"And Nnuk, I got a charge out of your agreement that people who left Rallos for Legends were sell outs....."

I'm pretty sure I said "most" people... Not "all" people. There are exceptions to every rule.


"..... "except for melees". You wouldn't have happened to have said that with Hamadryad in the back of your mind, now would you?.....It's a shame your morals change depending on whose dick is scheduled for deposit in your rectum on any given day."

Of course Hammy was on my mind as I wrote it, silly. She was on my mind when I went to get some ice cream this evening as well but that hardly means Dairy Queen should be sending her a royalty cheque. ;-)

I will admit that my original position was that anyone departing Rallos -- for Legends, a regular server, or any of the so-called TeamPvP ones -- was displaying terminal bluebiedom... And I maintain that argument for those that depart permanently regardless of their class.

However I've come to change my mind simply because my original opinion was flawed and, when I stated the "except for primarily melee characters" thingy, I was thinking about warriors and monks more than rangers and SKs (though my comment holds true for them also).

Here.. Let me simplify my statement for you:

While I believe that players (especially PKs) acquiring everything they have exclusively from Rallos should be viewed as the creme of the EQ playerbase... I also recognize that certain classes have inherent disadvantages which would require a commitment in terms of time that not everyone is able to spare.

If Kyleigh goes to Legends.. She's a sellout -- If Ryleigh goes... It's understandable.

In regards to the insertion of Hammy's schlong into my anal passageway...

You best brace yourself.. I have some rather shocking news for you:

Boys have a penis. Girls have a vagina.

You may locate a female of your species to confirm that if you like.

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[Nexex]

Originally posted by AD Nnuk
... Look it up.


In regards to the insertion of Hammy's schlong into my anal passageway...


Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

You would like that wouldn't you. :eek:

[Exivate]

Was gonna ask that question, but thanks for answering. I can't believe UO still exists with the new rules they have. If they had one server with the very original rule set I'd be playing that game right now and I'm sure many others as well. PvP was great when the game first came out, as soon as they put in the "Murderer" shit is when I quit and many others did as well :(

[Rykker]

The ratio from random pk to anti pk is prolly 10:1.A year ago prolly 20:1.There is so many exp spots where you can go with out pvping.Antis who stayed for pvp?I have more screenshots in a week of playing then some ppl have in their career.Ppl who didnt move to legends etc arent all the sudden pvp gods,they just happen to exp in holes.Dont bitch about manaburning wizzies,Theres more Anti burners than not.And all the sudden cuz theres a few random pks with burn they are supposed to hear shit cuz they use it after being burned for months??You really cant comment on what ppl do you dont know the otherside of the coin.As for going anti when db left?I joined DR which actively hunted Mim,IE,KE,CN and like 5 other guilds that Laroux started shit with(god that was fun).I went into Sots who was in our guild sect for a month or so and that was it~.

[Rahne Sinclair]

I don't think people are whining about pk's using Manaburn as much as you think.

I think alot of pk'ers were talking about how hollow Manaburn was for a PvP victory, people like Latnem and Voltaic, and now that THEY have it, it's okay, and there's no bitching.

[AD Nnuk]

What makes such victories "hollow" is the fact that they (the Antis.. Not proven PvPers such as Voltaic and Latnem) have been utterly incapable of scoring a kill in the 3 years prior to Manaburn's introduction.

Ashlain MBing Mangar = Hollow

Voltaic MBing [Insert Fuckwit Anti Name Here] = Just another screenie

Artfully Yours,

Nnuk
Master of the Arts
Artful Death Gallery (http://www.artfuldeath.com)

[cideral]

Every anti MBer is a potential name change and suddenly now a new pk on the scene or even ebay(cmon, wiz ebay market value skyrocketed with MB)hehe.

Did anyone else notice that they are not going to provide that name lookup service? Now there is an alternative to going to Legends, if your rep is the only thing between you and your PvE goals :)

[Rahne Sinclair]

Well I'm all sure we know by now that was a mistake, and they are gonna have the name look up service.


MB=Gay no matter who uses it. One hit kills just shouldn't exist. I know we all talk about skill-less killers and shit, but that is the pen-ultimate in BS.

SKs too. All shit like that.

[Nexex]

Rahne..if you were a wiz, got to 60, spent all the time getting AA's...you to would use MB.

[Busybody]

I heard a rumor that they're testing {on test server !}
on not letting manaburn work on anything that has less than 32k hp. That would be a quick, simple change. It would solve the pvp problem with it on rallos {and yes it's a problem} while still leaving manaburn as an extremely useful aa.

[AD Cougr]

That was hoax that graffe.com started:-) It's not being tested out on the test server at this time....


Artfully Yours
Baron Cougr
Artist of Death

[Rahne Sinclair]

Originally posted by Nexex
Rahne..if you were a wiz, got to 60, spent all the time getting AA's...you to would use MB.

Of course I would. BUt I would never EVER brag about the kill. That's so gay.


If I have an advantage of course I would use it. I still think it's wrong. MB is gay.

[Busybody]

Originally posted by AD Cougr
That was hoax that graffe.com started:-) It's not being tested out on the test server at this time....


It's a shame, would totally solve the pvp problem and leave it outstanding still in pve. Thanks for letting me know though, Cougr.

[Jimmee]

Originally posted by Busybody


It's a shame, would totally solve the pvp problem and leave it outstanding still in pve. Thanks for letting me know though, Cougr.

The wizards reading graffe didn't think so. A large number threw gigantic fits and threatened to delete their characters if the change actually took place. Quite an entertaining read really :)

[jujanjury]

Yay Im a sellout hah :) grats me.

Gotta truely wonder about people in this game, so many try and dictate how things should be played, who can do what, and scorn those who 'dont play by the rules'

EQ pvp isnt fair, its not about fair at all. If it was about fair we wouldnt have level 'ranges' we wouldnt have cloth vs true mithril, we wouldnt have rusty vs 55+dmg 40 delay weapons.

Based on my argument that pvp isnt about fairness its about unfairness I dont see anything moraly wrong about going to legends and leveling up or gearing up. Noone has any obligation to play by someone elses attempts to maintain advantage(keeping things unfair in their advantage) and thats exactly what people condeming legends are attempting to do(maintain their advantage).


I went to Legends at first to gain the advantages I wanted for my war/clr on Sullon, but I moved my characters from RZ for a different reason all together. however I think that those who have the $$ to spend and wish to improve their character beyond what they could otherwise on their home server then more power to them, it gives them some of the advantage needed for a potential victory in eq pvp.

All in all people pay their own cash to have their own fun and if that means they wish to gear and level on legends by all means do so since thats within Verants rules(the only ones that really matter).

[Lilsub]

Originally posted by Jimmee


The wizards reading graffe didn't think so. A large number threw gigantic fits and threatened to delete their characters if the change actually took place. Quite an entertaining read really :)

Waaaah! My Elnerick's Electrical Rendering isn't enough for these frogloks!. Seriously, not ONE would have deleted their character. It's a simple fix, and a great one. People will piss and moan literally about anything and threaten things like that. How many times have your friends said, "that's it, I quit eq!" only to have them show up a day or two later.