Dead guild? heh

[Shhh]

First I know I will be flamed and everyone is going to call me a fag etc. go ahead, that along with not wanting to piss off the few people that will see this that I consider DB and know what I'm talking about is why I registered a new account.

First of all I have been with DB since the early days of RZ killing newbs in WK while leveling at the barbs so do me a favor and do not treat me like some kind of Warcraft recruited newbtrash.

I have been there through the up's and down's of the guild, even played under Darwoth in shadowbane after Gray freaked out and disbanded us even though we were not technically "Darkenbane" just to be with the guild.

For the past several years almost all of the old school members have been treated like second class citizens and phased out of the guild, I remember when I played WOW with the guild for the first 5 or 6 months I along with many others were shit all over constantly in favor of new recruits that were recruited for stupid fucking PVE raiding and the "officers" constantly recruited those that had no business in the guild and manipulated the "DKP" system that should have never existed to begin with to their favor, lol how many times was the guild forced to run UBRS when all the casters needed shit out of those two undead dungons just so Toad and Saradin could argue about who would get that shitty rogue sword? rofl. Eventually I quit wow as the guild just wasn't DB anymore and hadn't been for a long time, it seemed like the leadership lost touch with what the guild was supposed to be. a PK guild. The only time I felt like that at all was on the few occasions we did those boat raids or arena rumbles and so on.

I never really agreed with Grayrage on a lot of things, nor did I like a lot of things about the older guard of hotheaded officers back then that were just as likely to kill their guildmates as anyone else. For fuck sake though, at least that was DARKENBANE.

Who the hell is "Eyepatch"? I had been with the guild in nearly every game since RZ except for DAOC as I was having my daughter at the time, never heard of him. He sure as hell didnt seem fit to lead the guild at the time and all doubt has been removed now.

Saradin? the guy that quit DB 4 or 5 times during the two years he was in the guild in EQ? When we played on sullon the weasely fuck didn't even roll with DB, he made some 2 man "elite pvp guild" or some shit, how did he even get back into the guild much less in a position to lead it?

Toad? probably the whiniest most "I hate my life so I am going to take it out on all of you so I feel like a big man" waste of skin I have ever seen in a game.

The rest of the "officers" I have no idea who the fuck they are so I wont rag on em, but I do remember most were new recruits when wow started heh.

75% of the roster are people that I can only assume were picked up during WOW to fill a PVE requirement as I haven't ever heard of any of them.

What happened to Once? Darwoth? Lorglath? Fistanthalas? Genaside? you know the people that tried to keep the guild from self destructing?

So now here it is what? 2 years later? 3? and the guild has done NOTHING together because it no longer exists. The "leaders" that ran the guild into the ground and killed it first by somehow ousting Grayrage, second by taking it to WOW, third turning it into a carbear guild and FINALLY alienating and outing all of the old members are nowhere to be found. Nearly all of the old school members have joined Grayrage'ss guild (I would have to except Gray turned blue and I cant deal with Lisa's shit), Lucid Vision, Artful Death or some other guild that still actually exists.

I am not just posting this thread to be a prick over the fact that along with most other real DB I was phased out of the guild by the very same type of people we used to grief in days past (I checked the boards one day to find i lost access without so much as a note as to why heh) but to make a request to just officially retire the DB tag fellas, the more this pretending continues the more of an embarassment you make yourselves and the more you ruin the legacy of what was a great guild.

Let those of us who represented DB in the glory days when it was a guild to be feared instead of laughed at have at least some pride left in the guild we were a part of.

[Saradin]

This is an interesting post that touches on some very controversial subjects, some of these are facts and some are just flat out wrong. Your post represents concerns that I am sure others have had. Before I get into that though I'm going to reply to two things:

1) We ran UBRS to get people keyed, nothing more. I absolutely hate that shit more than any dungeon in the world and the one sword that me and Toad were looking forward to was the ONLY other reason than helping out the guild to go there. We never did UBRS runs for an item so get real.

2)

"Saradin? the guy that quit DB 4 or 5 times during the two years he was in the guild in EQ? When we played on sullon the weasely fuck didn't even roll with DB, he made some 2 man "elite pvp guild" or some shit, how did he even get back into the guild much less in a position to lead it?"

I'll just post facts here because you are so misinformed and out of line. I was caught exploiting multiple times leveling spots and suspended by a GM named Akkirus on RZ. He also stripped my DB tag and said he would disband any guild I joined and he also deleveled me ( he no longer works there hehe ). Anyway Gray said fuck Akkirus and let me back in the guild -- one of the coolest things he's done to date. I eventually quit EQ, selling my character to some random and some gear to Gray. I never quit DB in EQ, ever. The style of this guild was and still is for me. 8 months later I got ahold of an account from a friend and rolled a bard ( ask Buto cuz it was his friend's account ) and just tagged under Once/Darwoth/Laroux guild named Deadly Retribution to fuck around a bit. When SZ was announced, I sent Gray a PM telling him the ruleset and that we should take DB there. He declined saying he was staying on RZ and so I made Inkara. Eventually Gray got banned on RZ and came to Sullon but I had already had my roster. At one point, we merged but that didn't work out due to differences with me and Gray and some of Inkara. Oh well. I then fell back into the fold and played SC with Darwoth and was Inner Council there. I then lead and lent out WoW beta accounts do DB in WoW...so yeah, lets see how I got to the helm here.

Anyway, it's always been a sore spot for me to see the split between new players and the old school players. On one hand, every guild needs life breathed back into it through recruits and on the other hand it needs to stay true to it's roots but above all, all guilds MUST evolve and adapt. Unfortunately for us, there is no game that is strictly pvp oriented that is worth a shit. We no longer play WoW because we all quit before arena hitting our R14 and just getting bored because we would be forced to PVE. The ideals of DB are the same and will never change, there is just not a game where we can grief the fuck out of everyone. We'll see what new games come out and what happens.

Btw, you are a complete coward for posting under an anonymous account and blasting your guildmates you've played with for years. This could have been taken up in a more constructive way but I hope venting helped you feel better about yourself and being so called "phased out of the guild".

[Danubi]

im still here =)

[Sieges]

I'm still around too, but im near useless!

[Danubi]

sieges teh suck druid~

[Ekimus]

he sure is.

[Sieges]

I was a pretty sucky druid, good enough to beat stoffer teh suck ench though.

[Danubi]

lol, i remember that...

[Sieges]

Ya long time ago, I was like 12 lol

[Jotok]

I think everybody got their DKP off of me in UBRS.

[Buto]

That's where what's-her-face gave me what's-that-called and I made that one thing.

Man that was awesome.

[Dempig]

Holy shit dude , i know exactly what you mean about Akkirus , he was such a fucking faggot.


He froze my character and let some faggots camp me one time and i couldnt do shit because my character wouldnt move at all.


I made a warrior named Sakkirus sucksanut

[Saradin]

Yeah he froze me in the Ak'anon castle when I was exploiting pathing and he trained mechanics on me. He then summoned me back, trained me again. Summoned me back, trained me again. He repeated this about 20-30 times and de-leveled me twice before discoing me WITHOUT letting me get my corpse ...which rotted.

Called customer service pretty fucking pissed off. I got my levels back, my gear, and a formal apology ingame and email ( fuck I shoulda saved that one ) although the suspension still stayed. After the apology he asked me if there was anything else with which I replied, "Yeah, your mortal characters name and a trans to Nek plz". Hehe. Never saw him again after that!

[Marz]

75% of the roster are people that I can only assume were picked up during WOW to fill a PVE requirement as I haven't ever heard of any of them.

hehe

[hellsfinest]

I think that just because there isn't a good enough pvp game out yet doesn't mean DB is done. I've just been tooling around with retarded WoW pvp till something comes out with decent pvp content. Who knows what the future holds.

Btw I got Hells banned last month lol. Exploting oops :P

[Astoron]

Akkirus Gan su la~ I kill your father

[Haanibal]

I dunno a lot of the core members would still play if we found a game suited for Darkenbane. Fistanthalas(Jed) was a great guy in and out of game, he's not around much anymore. However myself, Saradin, Dan, Stoff, Arkons, Astoron and Darwoth are still here we just don't post much. Forgot about Sieges but he wont be around much anymore he's going to OCS soon, good luck fucker.

Bottom line is there isn't really a game that suits Darkenbane needs, I could get a band of us going in Shadowbane but it wouldn't be worth it. AoC has yet to prove itself as a game for this guild. We blow at PvP and all hate it equally, unfortunately all the MMO's have become raid based to get high end gear that PvPer's can't possibly fathom.

Eyepatch (Pat) in his defense I had no idea who any of the officers were in this guild and though most of them were carebear, but Pat was a decent leader. Maybe not leader material but a good officer. He was fair and dealt with a lot of Bullshit when this guild was going bluebie. Me and Asto used to piss a lot of the officers off in the early stages of WoW b/c of our assholish attitudes. I don't play politics, this guild shouldn't either. We are killers and until we get back to our roots and get some officers who try to pull us out of this sinhole we're in, we will cease to exist.

I don't think Gray is a good leader either, he's like Bill and Hillary Clinton with his wife in the background. Only more like the Nazi Regime, and he is primarily the reason this guild went carebear in the first place. Sad but true, he joined forces with ODRF in EQ to get us to the planes, then mass recruited to get gear. So if you want to talk roots then you can blame him, this guild hasn't been no where near the same since.

[Haanibal]

Also Akkirus ported me to GM Jail after Nuking me across the zone in the Karanas from the wizard spires. He was a Cleric, and his Retribution nuke hit me and my dude flew from the spires in NK or EK or whatever to the zoneline of WK and zoned. Next thing I know Im standing in GM Jail in Naggy's Lair getting tells from all kinds of people in the zone asking me where I'm at and if I'm there to gank them. The dude stripped my buffs and bound me, knowing I was a wizard. So I loaded up Tox Gate and gated out to my homeland and logged out. That guy was a fucking douche, three days later my account was banned. After contacting SOE they told me the ban couldnt be lifted for multiple warnings and it was perma banned. That time I was summoned was the only formal warning I recieved from that douche. But b/c I was an officer in Darkenbane I was banned instantly. Wow if I met that dude in RL I would beat his ass to this day.

[Darwoth]

lol

i was directed to this thread the other day and got a good chuckle from it, originally i wasn't going to say anything because it is pretty self explanatory what happened. but then again sometimes it is hard to hold your tongue in golden opportunities like this.

this will be a long post, if you dont read it all or just skim it do not bother responding to me as i will ignore you.

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first of all, i told you so.

second, thirdly and fourthly.....

told ya so.

for those of you that were in the loop at the time that i left the guild you will recollect my prophetic words to the effect of "the guild has 6 months before it implodes on itself"

we see now that it was actually much sooner than that, and 2 years later the guild is nonexistent.

how it got to this point is a long road with a lot of stops and turns but at the end of the day it was simply selfishness and greed by the "leadership" combined with a lack of a real leader to keep the guild on track.



years ago when grayrage made the whole "inner council" system of leadership it was the beginning of the end. in order for a guild to thrive, ESPECIALLY a pk guild, there has to be one dictator of a leader that has the final say on things and stays true to the vision of the guild. instead what darkenbane had/has is a half dozen "officers" most of whom did nothing at all but take up space that you needed to run things by and get approval from that were all busy trying to politic something for themselves at the expense of the guild.

it had the flavor of some kind of warped PTA meeting where everyone is argueing about what color to make the wallpaper in the janitors closet.

most of the folks that are left here dislike me by a large margin. the majority of you dislike me for valid reasons such as the fact i do not like negros, am not much for touchy feely handholding when your being stupid or i pissed in your cheerios years ago when i was a teenager in some long forgotten encounter. the other segment however (hey jotok!) dislike me for the lies you were told about me behind my back and think i just decided to be an asshole one day for no reason. given that you honestly have no idea what went down behind the scenes on a daily basis and you had ol wormtongue saradin coupled with puppet eyepatch making up shit, combined with well intentioned yet misguided or illinformed folks like daefuin corroborating the story even though he knew it was bullshit because he didnt want folks knowing what really happened out of fear the guild would fall apart.. well i do not blame you.

first let us set the record straight, most of you will not remember these things as you were not around at the time so we will also make a small as possible timeline involving the relevant parts.


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grayrage disbanded the guild years ago when saradin and his friends that had just merged into the guild killed some rare spawn dragon in secret so that they wouldnt have to share loot with the guild. also known as the "bio orb incident". after this gross overreaction he promptly transferred himself to some pve server in eq where he sat for the next two years never once coming by this website again.

the guild was completely dead after this, even more dead than you are now. the boards had maybe one post a month. shadowbane finally released and after a month of scrounging up old darkenbaners i put together a guild of about 60 people, half were darkenbane and half were various folks from EQ. we would have named ourselves darkenbane but the majority of the darkenbane members at the time wanted no part of the name as gray had embarassed it so badly. we called ourselves shadow consortium.

6 months or so of total owning goes by in shadowbane, the group we had there was really just completely devastating, even shithead saradin was fun to have around as he was a lot different then. unfortunately the game was buggy as hell, constantly crashed, had horrible laggy server and heavily corrupted with biased staff (moneytree siege, being summoned to bottom of ocean etc lol) and everybody started mass quitting the game in droves. at the time i was dealing with legal issues regarding a probation violation, i was also 18 or 19 years old at the time and pretty hotheaded so im sure i pissed off a number of people for various things.. one of those things which proved to be a big mistake both for me and the guild was reuniting grayrage, toad, lisa and the other carebears that transferred to the pve server in eq and abandoned the guild with darkenbane again. i did this due to "old time sake" if you will and it was understood none of these people would ever hold any position of importance within the guild ever again so that they could not do any damage to it again.

shadowbane is rapidly dieing off and it looks like my ass is headed to jail for a few months so i hand the guild leadership off to lorglath (because saradin, meter and the other officers didnt want the responsibility) a month later the shadowbane contingent was dead.

i emerge from jail after a few months later and whats this? yep you guessed it, grayrage is somehow leading the guild! toad and lisa are inner council! lol! i didn't last long obviously, gray ended up mass recruiting dozens of complete morons during the discord promo event, openly encouraged hacking within the guild which himself and many other happily engaged in and darkenbanes reputation was quickly going down the shitter as another hacking script kiddy guild.

i was told to either deal with it or leave, and then later gray made a big emo post about how he will never game with me again and removed my private access. so i "left" and about 10 or so quality darkenbaners (jotok, arkons, vega among some) left with me.

we wasted some time in dark age of camelot on the ffa server for a short period of time waiting for world of warcraft to come out, originally i had zero intention of playing that horrible game as everything about it was screaming carebear to me. in fact i said for months how it would suck ass and i wouldnt play. but we all were chomping at the bit to own gray and thats where he was headed so we were going to hit it to.

2 months prior to the games launch a big dramabomb with gray and his faction exploded and meter stole the website from gray (who had been paying for it, lol) the officers gray appointed fucked him over and he was outed from the guild, with him he took a dozen or so folks leaving the guild once again in shambles.

i start getting private messages and emails from saradin asking... no begging me to come back to darkenbane both because a number of top notch players left with me and because "i cant lead this group of retards alone"

reluctantly i agreed under the understanding that i would eventually be reinstated to the leadership position of the guild so that i could run shit my way and since i was the gm of the guild before i went to jail and gray somehow weaseled in there.


instead what transpired in warcraft was me spending a year and a half argueing everytime i logged on with between 3 and 5 people intent on destroying the guild doing my best to preserve what darkenbane was.

the first of which was when archimonde was hosed for a week due to the huge number of people trying to play on it and grays guild moved to illidan. i wanted to move to illidan as well so that we could act upon the 6 months of shittalk between grays new guild DIE and DB. nobody else wanted to go fight gray however, wtf? i should have known then that things were headed downhill.



i mean fuck almost everything "big" that people enjoyed and have fond memories of that we did as a guild in wow i was behind, i also caught TREMENDOUS shit over almost all of it.

remember the pirate boat raids? remember how if you were online you were expected to show up and be with the guild kicking folks teeth in?

yeah, well that was the source of many an argument. why? no idea.

remember the arena rumbles we would do? remember the time nurfed came in and tried to crash our party (while we were killing each other mind you, lol) and we completely rocked them then laughed our cocks off when they got all enraged and talked shit?

yeah saradin, eyepatch and meter were up in arms over that one. why? because for some fucking reason they were all nurfed pve fanboys and had forgotten darkenbane was a pk guild that killed anyone not in darkenbane.

remember the guild 1v1 tournament we did?

well aside from saradin, eyepatch, meter and so on not bothering to show up at all that was also a BIG DEAL. apparently i was hurting people like scape and skrowfunks feelings (because they were fucking horrible and lost to everyone, wasnt an issue until then) by making a pvp tournament for a pk guild and expecting people to participate. shame on me i guess, well no not really at all =P

remember daefuin ninjalooting harms first ragnaros kill after a bunch of those cocksuckers got dempig and others suspended several times over nothing?

well that was my idea (excellently implemented by daefuin btw as it would of been a decade before i ever made an alt =P) and the entire leadership was ENRAGED at me over it, the reason? because all the whiney dipfuck carebears that were recruited by eyepatch and saradin to fill a molten core spot were afraid people wouldnt group with them now.

i could go on and on here folks, it is really funny because all the things that the old school members look back on from wow with fondness is shit that I WAS DIRECTLY BEHIND and i also CAUGHT UNIMAGINABLE AMOUNTS OF BULLSHIT AND GRIEF FOR IT by the so called "leadership" EVERY SINGLE TIME for simply trying to create some pvp centered fun for the rest of you.

you tell me, should the leadership of a supposed "ruthless pk griefer guild" be getting bent out of shape on things like the above? should they be mass recruiting morons that have no place in the guild to fill a raid slot? should your application template for new recruits be heavily centered on pve bullshit? in fact, why were we raiding at all to begin with, i certainly recall being adamantly opposed to the notion...... oh thats right saradin and toad wanted their shiny epics and convinced the rest of the guild along with eyepatch that they needed pve shit to compete in pvp, nevermind the fact that since the guilds inception that wasnt necessary, since most of them werent around that long i guess we can give them a pass for their ignorance =P.



oh did someone mention loot drama?

if you folks had any idea how much of a fucking sideshow every single MC raid was in officer chat you would hate humanity as much as i do.

first and most importantly saradin and toad were constantly bickering over rogue loot, and i do mean constantly. it was so bad that even the other officers would frequently put them on ignore over the shit as they went back and forth.

however if it stayed between the two of them it wouldnt have been an issue, it became an issue when they started appointing themselves shit over the rest of the rogues in the guild, i remember one time when they threatened to kick my wife out of the guild if she wanted to roll on some weapon that she had no interest in and wouldnt of rolled on anyway because she wasnt a lootwhore like them, fucking hilarity lol.

one incident though that stays with me is when saradin took himself a 5 month break from wow (he said he had quit), of course as soon as all of the hard work in doing things with 2 dozen people instead of 40 was done and we had begun progressing along pretty well the jackass comes back. at the time we had a relatively new recruit rogue in the guild, his name started with a D i believe. anyway this guy had been with us every single raid for months since just before saradin left, put his time in and hadnt got much of anything for his efforts.

saradin "comes back", he has been back for 2 weeks, hasnt helped on any MC raids the entire time because "he isnt really back just testing things out". whelp his first time back in mc with us, you guess it a rogue weapon drops....

our loyal new guy that has busted his ass for 6 months is at the top of the list as toad already had one, he gets it right? right?

nope! saradin does! I WAS THE ONLY FUCKING GUY OUT OF THE SIX VOTING THAT VOTED FOR THE OTHER GUY, you know why? BECAUSE SARADIN THREATENED TO QUIT THE GAME AND THE GUILD IF HE DIDNT GET HIS PRECIOUS FUCKING DAGGER.

wheee dramabomb ensues, whathisname is obviously upset. he is told to fuck off in guildchat by various parties, i send the guy a tell trying to get him to calm down because i liked him and didnt want him to leave the guild even though what happened was bullshit, told him i wanted him to get the dagger and i would try my hardest to make sure he got the next one......

15 seconds later in guildchat.....

"blah blah fuck you darwoth you asshole"
*soandso has left the guild*

yeah, everyone pinned that guy leaving on me like everything else =P

oh, and yeah that is just the tip of the iceberg rofl. i mean i have hundreds and hundreds of screenshots and even a few TS recordings of some of this soap opera class bullshit. then you got all the good shit like talking about how xyz member that has been with the guild ten years and has kids with a 60 hour a week job is a worthless sack of shit and is going to be booted from the guild because he cant raid and so on.


anyway i hung in there as long as i could and did my best to keep the guild on course with pvp events and so on whenever i could get the shitbag "officers" to go along with it, one big problem is nobody ever wanted to agree to any of the shit i wanted to do for us even if they liked the idea because they did not want ME doing it and they were trying to fade me out of things and cut my visiblity to the memberbase as much as possible.

best way to completely change the face of a guild is to alienate the old members to the point where they leave or go inactive, replace them with twice as many mass recruited pve minded players and then lastly demonize the one or two high visibility folks in the leadership core with the original ideals as an asshole.

thats exactly what happened and is tantamount to why guilds with multiple leaders never work out =P

at this point most folks in the guild didnt like me and i didnt like them, hell at that point most folks in the guild were whiney ass loot obsessed carebears as the older members whom i had history with had quit the game or guild. the ones that werent hated me for other reasons such as my political or racial viewpoints, i know all of the europeans and canadians despised me for sure =P

so with the climate right for the coup de grace people just started making up shit about me, causing drama and having me deal with it or directing new members that didnt know any better to do shit they knew would get a rise out of me.

examples?

inviting a chinese farmer into the guild making a mockery of the guildtag that had been around for 12 years.

telling seoinage and others it was ok to leave the guild and join some stuipd joke guild like the various "pewpew poopoo" tags that were around at the time.

telling scape that the reason his little brother couldnt join the guild is because i didnt like him even though i was the only one who DID like him and wanted to tag him. (scape freaked out and quit over that, telling me how much of a loser asshole i was on the way out. if he only knew lol)

inviting lardass teenage morons like skurvu into the guild and directing him to call my wife a stupid whore and bitch in public channels for no reason but to get a rise out of me and forcing me to remove him.

toad going on one of his famous powertripping rampages and kicking out lorglath, decadence kanibal and someone else because they dared to go do stratholme by themselves and sending me to clean up the mess. well i disagreed with toad and i was trying to get them all back in, but they were pissed and as predicted since i was the one talking to them i was the one labeled as the asshole.


lots and lots of examples to be made.


anyhow one fine day eyepatch logs on, we have a relatively small argument about something that i can not recall and he declares that "either he goes or i go" and that he was going to take the guildbank with him. rofl.

with most of the "leadership" not exactly seeing eye to eye with me it didnt take much to see where this was headed.

nonetheless a "vote" was held where everyone except me got to show up and talk about how much of an asshole i was behind my back, the end of the vote consisted of eyepatch saying he would quit the guild, the game and hijack the guildbank. meter whom has hated me for years because is a socialist european and my american values are anathema to all he holds dear decided he would take down the website if i was allowed to stay, saradin and toad well ya know how that went =P

with that i was told that i could remain in the guild, but only as the lowest rank of member. obviously given the fact i had more time and effort put into darkenbane than all of these other people combined coupled with i never once did anything i didnt think was best for the guild compared to the lootwhores and dramaqueens track records not to mention brought the guild back from death during shadowbane.......

it was an insult of a high magnitude to say the least =P with that i left and finally ended the countless headaches and just annoyed demeanor garnered from the stress of interacting with people who for lack of a better term were just total fucking scumbags, basically everything i hate in people is what half of the "officers" of the guild embodied to a t.

buto, daefuin and arillious i dont know what exactly occured with them. i do know that buto sent me an email a month later stating they had all made a mistake and the guild died because i wasnt there and that while saradin is a great guy in real life he is a raging jackass in game and that he never intended to play with him in an mmo again, daefuin apologized to me for corroborating the bullshit version of events that was on the private board and chalked it up to "damage control" so that the guild didnt fall apart, arillious is probably off watching football somewhere but according to arromus he went along with the rest as well due to the threats from meter and eyepatch.



and so ended my involvement with the guild, in the two years since this guild has withered and died just like i said it would.

i on the other hand managed to build from scratch a new guild with new people along the same ideals and foundation of what darkenbane USED to be so many years ago. we have thrived since and have become infamous in every game we have played thus far.

i dont want to really talk shit here as there are a number of you i still like but our reputation in just 2 years has greatly surpassed that of darkenbane in its ten years of existence (all of that rep by the way, was built with different people under different leadership than what youve got sitting here now) why have we been so succesful?

because i am tenacious in that i only allow people that belong in the guild into the guild for one, we do not have 6 different factions within the guild and a decade of humiliating soap opera drama tarnishing us for another...... and we are also just pretty damn good =P

look at what i managed to build in such a short time from scratch with nobody to help me do it and just think what i could have done with darkenbane and its already existing history, infrastructure and playerbase had i been allowed to do things my way.



by the way you know the episodes and videos we have on our site that a number of you enjoy so much? yeah for years i wanted to get something like that going here, like everything else that wasnt carebear it was repeatedly shotdown =P

there are a few old darkenbanes in our ranks now (me, azriel, genaside) when those handful of you that are left want to leave this trainwreck behind and rekindle the fun you used to have drop me a line and we may be able to come to an understanding.


almost forgot...... "we are just inactive because we have no game to play that is hardcore enough for us!".......

LOL there are a half dozen suitable options out there, coming from a group of people that played wow for 2+ years on the pve carebear raid scene this is a wonderful joke =P

oh, and....... "we only ran ubrs to get keyed, thats it!" bwahaalshaha......

no actually we ran it most of the time for your stupid ass to get the dal rend sword like the original poster stated, the majority of the key pieces didnt even drop until after dal rend, which obviously by sheer coinicidence (lol) is where we all stopped and reset the instance =P

whoops almost forgot "yeah we quit wow because we just dominated shit and we all hit rank 14 showing how much we fucking own bro"

rofl, first of all 3 of you hit rank 14 not "all". the reason you hit those ranks is because you had multiple people playing the characters 24/7 in battlegrounds farming honor, perhaps the most hilarious thing here though is that you would even equate an honor grind as some form of "pvp" i am laughing my lungs out over here.

want to know what i think of dipshits like you that spent 6 months of your life on grinding rank 14? go watch my pvp video ( http://www.scarybadguys.com/videos/wothdar%20pvp.wmv ) or tune into my hwl episode ( http://www.scarybadguys.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20 )

no the real reason as anyone who was there at the time knows that everyone quit is because the guild has no sense of itself thanks to the environment created by the "leadership" (hilarious by the way, 20 of you were playing and tagged under dominion for 4 or more months, the guild we used to make fun of CONSTANTLY for being carebear bluebie fags how low can ya go!) and once the loot stopped flowing the majority of the members recruited for collecting said loot lost interest or went elsewhere.

anyhow im probably forgetting a whole shitload of stuff that i should of included, i dont really know why i posted at all other than having some time to kill and being highly amused at this thread and the subsequent attempted spin.

in all honesty i would like to thank saradin, toad, meter, eyepatch etc for fucking the guild up beyond repair and causing my departure. toward the end there 3/4 of the "new guild" hated me and vice versa so instead of spending my time cleaning up your messes and being the scapegoat for your failures while being guilded with a lot of folks i plain ol didnt like at all (which is why once left if you recall, he hated the majority of the people you all recruited good job causing that one) i managed to carve out a dramafree guild along MY ideals for what a pk guild should be, filled 100% with people i enjoy being around and gaming with and whom get along with each other, when we get a dramaqueen or someone that just doesn't fit they get swiftly removed... imagine that....... not having an overwhelming urge to beat the shit out of your guildmates and having to log off in disgust... say it aint so =P

feel free to pick apart my post, misquote me, put words in my mouth, argue semantics or take a page from the past and just lie through your teeth outright as i wont bother responding and even those who think i am an asshole know what i say to be true (when have i ever lied, about.... anything?) whether they will admit it or not, spent to much time on this already.


happy trails sirs. if you need to get ahold of me to tell me how much of an asshole i am or some such you know where to find me. (and wtf haanibal, half the folks on that list aint around anymore dude, certainly not me. you need to stay in the loop man =P)

[Jotok]

I don't dislike you Dar.

[Saradin]

I think the hardest part for any leader of this guild was/is trying to clean up the mess Gray made and try to get each faction to get along with one another. Another problem was trying to take a "pk" guild into a barely "pvp" game mixed in with recruits that don't exactly know what "pk" is. Not that it was horrible but it was very difficult to get everyone on the same page.

Darwoth, you were a fun guy to play with and I still like you for the asshole you are. This is probably because I look back at all the good times and the bad times and the good times still far outweigh the few bad times in WoW where you were a royal pain in the ass. Even then, some of the shit we bickered over were absolutely stupid and a waste of energy.

WoW was def not for DB. Period. Also, I didn't expect Gray's mess to be cleaned up over night and when I asked you to come back it was mainly because you were fun to play with and you held a large core of original DB. Really though, I think we are where we need to be right now with the exception of not having a game to play. I also think that there were too many cooks in the kitchen that were not on the same page and that was the cause of many problems.

[Darwoth]

jotok: good (albeit surprising) to hear, i know a lot of bullshit was flung around when things were still fresh, i vaguely remember you seeming fairly pissed off at me at the time.


saradin: you take the high road ill take the low road and ill get in scotland before ya~

i wish i could sit here and fondly recollect the various nuances of days past with you and try as i might i just cant do it. you are directly responsible for the downfall of a guild that had 12 years of history, you lied to and about me more times than i can count and ruined a number of my online friendships with the venomous vitriol that was spewed around when i wasnt present to defend myself.

there was a time when we were good friends and had a LOT of good times, in fact you were the only faggot here who kicked me a letter in jail which meant a lot. but you turned on me, for no reason and over the most petty shit imaginable which is unforgiveable. i do not want this to devolve into 50 pages of shittalking one another so im going to just bow out of the convo now, hopefully ill be able to keep myself from responding this time =P

[Ekimus]

Epic post holy moly. Did you record your daily activities just for a post like that? Your memory for the events of the past 10+ years is pretty good that's for sure. I think you've been taking typing lessons too, you couldn't go half a sentence before fucking up every other word.

[Awakened]

Aids

[Haanibal]

lol

................

first of all, i told you so.

second, thirdly and fourthly.....

told ya so.

for those of you that were in the loop at the time that i left the guild you will recollect my prophetic words to the effect of "the guild has 6 months before it implodes on itself"



happy trails sirs. if you need to get ahold of me to tell me how much of an asshole i am or some such you know where to find me. (and wtf haanibal, half the folks on that list aint around anymore dude, certainly not me. you need to stay in the loop man =P)


I miss you....and pretty much everyone else who was a gigantic asshole in this guild. I play Shadowbane now in between online college course for my BSBIT, and RL shit. How's the new guild?

[Buto]

I disagree that the guild is dead.

Stop overaggroing.

[Saradin]

High road, low road, whichever Dar. My point being that I'm indifferent and I "choose" to remember the good times. Maybe that is because I am not the one who felt I was wronged or maybe it is because I am not one to hold grudges and you are. The simple fact of the matter is I think you just got hurt that I stood by Eyepatch when I was forced to make a decision because of two conflicting leaders so I completely understand if you are hurt by that. However, I never spit venom in people's ears behind your back and I never lied to you because that just isn't my style. If you can prove otherwise I'll definitely own up to it but my memory of gaming is pretty hazy as far as inter/intra-guild relationships go. I'm more just result oriented and that's all I care about. Everything was always out in the open and I've always told it like it is.

Hehe, I still have the 7 page ( front and back ) hand written letter from jail. Was pretty lol reading it.

jotok: good (albeit surprising) to hear, i know a lot of bullshit was flung around when things were still fresh, i vaguely remember you seeming fairly pissed off at me at the time.


saradin: you take the high road ill take the low road and ill get in scotland before ya~

i wish i could sit here and fondly recollect the various nuances of days past with you and try as i might i just cant do it. you are directly responsible for the downfall of a guild that had 12 years of history, you lied to and about me more times than i can count and ruined a number of my online friendships with the venomous vitriol that was spewed around when i wasnt present to defend myself.

there was a time when we were good friends and had a LOT of good times, in fact you were the only faggot here who kicked me a letter in jail which meant a lot. but you turned on me, for no reason and over the most petty shit imaginable which is unforgiveable. i do not want this to devolve into 50 pages of shittalking one another so im going to just bow out of the convo now, hopefully ill be able to keep myself from responding this time =P

[Sieges]

Forgot about Sieges but he wont be around much anymore he's going to OCS soon, good luck fucker.

oorah, july 5th is coming pretty quick =O

[oNCe]

Thought I'd give my opinion on this as it is an interesting post to me.

Dead guild? No.
The guild is certainly not as strong as it once was, but it is near impossible for ANY guild to be as strong as DB was in the EQ era. I look back at EQ as the most fun I have ever had gaming- both on RZ and SZ. I know a lot of others share the exact same feeling including the OP judging by his references. Was DB thriving because of the game? The mechanics? The PvP penalties? Possibly, but I believe it was because of the smaller PvP/PK community and the fact that the community interacted much much more with each other. People cared when they died to a DB member- I speak from experience as I was not DB until SZ. They cared not because of the item they lost (usually), but because they were going to have their toon's corpse posted the next day or that night on a forum, and they would have to swallow their pride OR whine/make an excuse which either way, was amusing. To me that is fucking priceless and exactly what many of the "old" members crave:

Griefing. Ganking. Looting. Avatar Pride. Respect.
Things that no longer exist in any MMO I have seen to this day. These were what made DB as a guild strong and these were the qualities I hoped every member was looking for in future games.

By the time WoW beta had come out, DB had its own inner conflicts going on. There was a lot of resentment to Gray as well because he had "abandoned" the guild on Sullon (see Darwoth post above). We had formed cliques, which I suppose is only natural, but it caused a lot of mistrust and disliking of members in a guild which had previously depended on those qualities.

This eventually led to the "Alliance/Horde" debate and eventually to who would be the new leader of the guild. I remember hearing campaign speaches and dealing with political bullshit between members/officers. It was inevitable that DB split and DIE formed. 90% of those loyal to Gray (and half of my friends for 5+ years at the time) left immediately to form DIE while the other 10% trickled off over the next few months. If memory serves, we had eventually decided on forming a council as opposed to having just 1 leader. I was offered a spot many times as officer/council but declined because I was not sure I would remain DB and did not want to hurt the guild if I decided to leave. I was loyal to DB and still want the guild to thrive again, but if I had been an officer and left shortly after, I felt it would have affected the guild moral poorly.

WoW came out, and honestly it was a great game... if you liked PvE. PvP existed, but there was no honor system, no BGs, no arena and still holds none of the qualities the older members were looking for in a game. Hillsbrad wars and 5man gank groups in the plaguelands/BRM was what the game brought to the table to me.

It's a surprise DB lasted as long as it did in WoW. The game clearly was not living up to the hype, and the members continued to clique up and the tension between guildies became thick again.

What happened to Once? Darwoth? Lorglath? Fistanthalas? Genaside? you know the people that tried to keep the guild from self destructing?
When we began recruiting again and I saw what kind of people we were bringing into the guild, I said my goodbyes in private to the handful of members I was still friends with and still respected- Im sure people had/have mixed opinions of me for leaving the guild, but as a member I felt like more of a diplomat between the officers/other members a lot of the time. I feel like I did my part in helping DB thrive/stay together by not only my PvP ability, but also bringing a calm and collected presense to many arguements whether they stemmed from enemy guilds or within DB. Fuck I still feel like Saradin's shrink :).

[Arkons]

Im pretty sure that everyone who belonged in DB will make it back into the fold once a game comes out that is worthy of its attention. Until then, just distract yourself with as much mindless nonsense as it takes to get ya through the day.

Hopefully someone will make EVE with elves and shit someday.

[Darwoth]

Im pretty sure that everyone who belonged in DB will make it back into the fold once a game comes out that is worthy of its attention. Until then, just distract yourself with as much mindless nonsense as it takes to get ya through the day.

Hopefully someone will make EVE with elves and shit someday.

laughing my cock off for many reasons, all of which you are probably familiar with.

[Samanel]

I was fighting DB during the SZ days with my Iksar Shaman. And when SB came out, I decided to join DB because I had no other guildies come with me. Then EvE came out and I joined Genaside and the others. Then EQ discord PVP came out, and I followed. Then WoW came out, I followed along until I gave up hope because of the lack of a pvp system and the routine PvE raids.

Im a follower, I don't like political bullshit. I just play to have fun, not argue with members the moment I sign in.

Im in the same position as all of you....waiting for that perfect pvp game....

And NO Saradin, I will not change my sig!

[Dempig]

lol holy shit that ragnaros ninja loot thing was fucking awesome.

[Dempig]

PS - was in db before like almost all of you so LAWWWWWL NUBS

[Arkons]

PS - was in db before like almost all of you so LAWWWWWL NUBS

we had killed you in Sro so many times that we took pity on you and decided to give you some lessons ;p

[Saradin]

She's like 14 yo!

I was fighting DB during the SZ days with my Iksar Shaman. And when SB came out, I decided to join DB because I had no other guildies come with me. Then EvE came out and I joined Genaside and the others. Then EQ discord PVP came out, and I followed. Then WoW came out, I followed along until I gave up hope because of the lack of a pvp system and the routine PvE raids.

Im a follower, I don't like political bullshit. I just play to have fun, not argue with members the moment I sign in.

Im in the same position as all of you....waiting for that perfect pvp game....

And NO Saradin, I will not change my sig!

[Haanibal]

This guild died in EQ when we invited Hamadryad. Thought that was extremely lame and started all the nut hugging and politically correct bullshit in the guild b/c we didn't want to hurt some dike's feelings. She made half our guild into pussies b/c they couldn't get ass IRL. Then the shit rolled down hill from there.

Oh and Dempig I think half our guild had well over 10 screens of just you...naked with an aviak charm. Don't say you didn't have on b/c you did and we all remember. You proved much better in WoW early days PvP, however that 56k connection was more l33t then all of us and we couldn't pvp with you. Sorry. :(

[Azzar]

Who the hell is "Eyepatch"?


Hes an emo douchbag who had no business leading darkenbane.



Saradin? the guy that quit DB 4 or 5 times during the two years he was in the guild in EQ? When we played on sullon the weasely fuck didn't even roll with DB, he made some 2 man "elite pvp guild" or some shit, how did he even get back into the guild much less in a position to lead it?



Seems to be a fringe elitist without a cause, my interaction with him is zilch.



Toad? probably the whiniest most "I hate my life so I am going to take it out on all of you so I feel like a big man" waste of skin I have ever seen in a game.



Truth. This is the new breed of darkenbane soldier. A lootwhore bleeding pussy whos just along for the "edge" darkenbane used to have. But in the end, hes just there to take the loot and log. Hes the type of guy that was like "OH MAN BEING IN DARKENBANE AND LOOTING THESE LOOTS FEELS SO EXTREME!!" while he jerks off.

sad.



The rest of the "officers" I have no idea who the fuck they are so I wont rag on em, but I do remember most were new recruits when wow started heh.

75% of the roster are people that I can only assume were picked up during WOW to fill a PVE requirement as I haven't ever heard of any of them.


That is pretty much what happened. But things were already falling apart. Darkenbane was cold inactive for a long time. There really isn't any legacy left. You won't find anything you want to experience here.

Its probably time to move on to a guild like Ebonlore, its more reminiscent of what DB used to be. I have never laughed so hard in my life as I did in my Ebonlore days. I mean I had to keep my mic shut off 90% of the time along with my crew because we were rolling so hard. The almost tongue in cheek arrogance was off the charts, the secret handshake exploiting (officers would kick a noob applicant for exploiting, but then they would be like "alright lets make some shit" and dupe whatever), and the complete server domination of PvP and PvE all sealed the deal for me.

The leader is also 100% cool and in command and would never cut his wrists like Eyepatch or Grayrage. Hes even got a james earl jones voice. and the hatred for Ebonlore is otherwordly. Its 50x magnified whatever haters DB was able to collect during its Rallos days.

[Daefuin]

Ebonlore? Give me a break. Ebonlore is a guild full of no-skill cheating pussies.

Ebonlore talked themselves up before Shadowbane then when it was released - they dodged all the servers the big name guilds went to and landed on a ROLEPLAY server. It didn't help them because their was capital was sacked on that server by a bunch of nobodies.

Ebonlore is also widely known as a haven for hackers, cheaters, and other no-skilled morons. How many games have they played where they've been mass banned for rampant exploiting, speedhacking, or etc?

[Saradin]

Never heard of Ebonlore so that kinda kills the argument about them being 50x more hated than DB ever was.

[Haanibal]

Never heard of Ebonlore so that kinda kills the argument about them being 50x more hated than DB ever was.

Yep gonna have to concur, Ebonlore sounds like Dragonscale, or some other lame ass RP guild.

[Darwoth]

Never heard of Ebonlore so that kinda kills the argument about them being 50x more hated than DB ever was.

you have to play a game other than wow over the course of 6 years to hear of other guilds.


in any case ebonlore certainly has a notorious reputation, one that surpasses what darkenbane had way back when. although it is primarily for also having a grayrage type leader and almost the same amount of drama that one can find in the archives of this guild.

the guildleader himself is an obese failure that got divorced from his wife ewwle (enchanter on sullon), he now spends his time constantly posting links to articles about sex on his boards and reportedly constantly tries to cyber the female members of his guild.

they also have the distinciton of skipping scorn to go to a no name roleplayer server in shadowbane where they got rocked anyway. i hadnt seen them in a long time until vanguard recently where like always their members numbered over 100 all of whom were horrible.

i killed mexa himself over 30 times between his characters, we even rocked one of their in game events (a wedding) to which they pissed and moaned constantly about, ezynite i killed until he was -70 infamy, and vipiin one of their officers at the time i forced to pay me in order to ALLOW him to craft in MY zone.

they have also eventually been mass banned from virtually every game they have played for shit like speed and teleport hacking.


they do however have organization and the ability to recruit large swaths of dipshits in each different game they play allowing them to succeed in simple tasks such as pve and mass zerging pvp. i mention this not because i disagree that they are in a far better spot than darkenbane but simply because i personally have rocked them so badly on so many different occasions =P

[Saradin]

The only games over the past 6 years that were worth a fuck were SB and WoW ( maybe DaoC but im not sure when that came out? )-- both of which we played together. I don't remember guilds that 1) dodge our servers or 2) don't pose a threat and Ebonlore to me is filed under both.

As for Darkenbane's position, we'll figure it out. Some of the core have grown up and currently don't have time for games but I envy the people that still do.

you have to play a game other than wow over the course of 6 years to hear of other guilds.


in any case ebonlore certainly has a notorious reputation, one that surpasses what darkenbane had way back when. although it is primarily for also having a grayrage type leader and almost the same amount of drama that one can find in the archives of this guild.

the guildleader himself is an obese failure that got divorced from his wife ewwle (enchanter on sullon), he now spends his time constantly posting links to articles about sex on his boards and reportedly constantly tries to cyber the female members of his guild.

they also have the distinciton of skipping scorn to go to a no name roleplayer server in shadowbane where they got rocked anyway. i hadnt seen them in a long time until vanguard recently where like always their members numbered over 100 all of whom were horrible.

i killed mexa himself over 30 times between his characters, we even rocked one of their in game events (a wedding) to which they pissed and moaned constantly about, ezynite i killed until he was -70 infamy, and vipiin one of their officers at the time i forced to pay me in order to ALLOW him to craft in MY zone.

they have also eventually been mass banned from virtually every game they have played for shit like speed and teleport hacking.


they do however have organization and the ability to recruit large swaths of dipshits in each different game they play allowing them to succeed in simple tasks such as pve and mass zerging pvp. i mention this not because i disagree that they are in a far better spot than darkenbane but simply because i personally have rocked them so badly on so many different occasions =P

[Darwoth]

wow was not worth playing. the only reason i personally got sucked into it from the combo of UOP emulators and the daoc ffa server was to kill grayrage after he pissed me off. then stoffer, eyepatch, toad and others wanted to wait around for over a week for archimonde to fix itself instead of just going to kill them on illidan.

shadowbane was a piece of shit, but worth playing. however daoc, vanguard, various relaunches of other shittier games and a whole host of korean chong games were also worth playing if your going to count wow among the "good games" list.



as for no time, fine no problem there. its a pity for the remnants of darkenbane though that you all responsible did not consider that before fucking the guild up and running off those who had the time and ability only then dropping the ball when the guild needed direction most.

saved me the trouble though and managed to prove me right again, even faster than i had originally thought =P

[Haanibal]

as for no time, fine no problem there. its a pity for the remnants of darkenbane though that you all responsible did not consider that before fucking the guild up and running off those who had the time and ability only then dropping the ball when the guild needed direction most.

saved me the trouble though and managed to prove me right again, even faster than i had originally thought =P


The thing most people struggle understanding is that Darkenbane is exactly what it used to be. A small rag tag guild of nobodies that gets hated on daily. We want it that way, and as far as i'm concerned it's better that way. I hate politics, I hate PvE and so does everyone else still holding onto what this guild used to stand for. We will make a showing Age of Conan, if it blows ass then it blows ass. But there will be a small band of us there. Will we make a huge impact in high end guild vs guild pvp? Or will we slay the Monstrous Dragon for Phat Armor? Probably not, but we will have fun. And we will fuck shit up on the way. That's what Darkenbane is all about and has been all about since fucking 1998. We don't care if we have enough numbers to make spec groups, we care if we have fun. And we will have fun, fuck the drama, fuck the politics. Let the past go, and move on. Darkenbane will be in AoC, hopefully some hater doesn't snag the guildtag first so we can't.

[Darwoth]

The thing most people struggle understanding is that Darkenbane is exactly what it used to be. A small rag tag guild of nobodies that gets hated on daily. We want it that way, and as far as i'm concerned it's better that way. I hate politics, I hate PvE and so does everyone else still holding onto what this guild used to stand for. We will make a showing Age of Conan, if it blows ass then it blows ass. But there will be a small band of us there. Will we make a huge impact in high end guild vs guild pvp? Or will we slay the Monstrous Dragon for Phat Armor? Probably not, but we will have fun. And we will fuck shit up on the way. That's what Darkenbane is all about and has been all about since fucking 1998. We don't care if we have enough numbers to make spec groups, we care if we have fun. And we will have fun, fuck the drama, fuck the politics. Let the past go, and move on. Darkenbane will be in AoC, hopefully some hater doesn't snag the guildtag first so we can't.


thats a nice rant there sir, and i admire your blind faith and loyalty even though it gives me a good chuckle =P

you get "hated on daily" eh? by who? the members of the guild? the folks that left the guild?

you hate politics and pve and "so does everyone else" when 50% of those left on your roster are either a bunch of manipulative politicians, lootwhores or both? are you fucking joking?

you know haanibal, i do like you dude so ill try not to poke to much fun here. the problem is you havent really had a clue as to whats been going around you for the past half decade or so man, so when you start talking about shit from out of left field like this folks on both side of the fence secretly think your a dumbass =P


anyhow good luck in age of conan sir, will you all fly your own tag this time or sit under "street cred" "ninja pirates" "notorious" or some other filler crap yet again?

[Haanibal]

thats a nice rant there sir, and i admire your blind faith and loyalty even though it gives me a good chuckle =P

you get "hated on daily" eh? by who? the members of the guild? the folks that left the guild?

you hate politics and pve and "so does everyone else" when 50% of those left on your roster are either a bunch of manipulative politicians, lootwhores or both? are you fucking joking?

you know haanibal, i do like you dude so ill try not to poke to much fun here. the problem is you havent really had a clue as to whats been going around you for the past half decade or so man, so when you start talking about shit from out of left field like this folks on both side of the fence secretly think your a dumbass =P


anyhow good luck in age of conan sir, will you all fly your own tag this time or sit under "street cred" "ninja pirates" "notorious" or some other filler crap yet again?

It doesn't matter who talks shit, we're used to it. Regardless of what I was trying to say you obviously missed the main point. Darkenbane will play as Darkenbane, we will not be a massive guild and have no intentions of playing that way. Who the hell knows if this game will even be worth a shit, probably not but we'll see. As for half a decade, I have been around. In and out on occassion due to some fucking Haji's fucking shit up for the rest of the world, but I've been around long enough to know that the Darkenbane name won't die. You said it yourself, SBG is like what DB used to be. Well it wouldn't be like anything used to be if DB never existed. It's alright though, we know what we're going to do. We will play AoC with the Darkenbane tag obviously, and have fun doing it. Whether or not others want to be a part of that, I could care less. Hope this clears things up.

Just for the record, posting vids was never a Darkenbane thing either. I believed we used Photoshop and Microsoft Paint for screenshots. Video's are just to classy for Darkenbane. ;)

[Darwoth]

im just asking who is talking shit, i dont see anybody here talking shit cept internally.

nice to hear darkenbane will play as darkenbane, have you gotten "approval" from the dormant leadership for that yet? they are the one responsible for not allowing you all to play as darkenbane previously. would hate to see you get kicked out for representing your guild in a game =P

you keep talking about numbers, dont know if your just saying that as a matter of conversation or aiming it at me. i have run the gambit between 5 and 60 members depending on the game, not exactly a numbers man myself dude.

when i say SBG is what like DB used to be it is because we are a bonafide pk griefer guild that dont care about all the bullshit that destroyed this guild, its also my guild and i obviously had a hand in how some of that "old darkenbane" was shaped. from an actual reputation and "who is the better group of assholes" standpoint i think in the mere 2 years we have been around we have surpassed the hate DB ever had, whats more is we managed to garner it in games where it was almost impossible to do so like wow.

we also do not have the stigma of a huge string of soap opera class dramabombs, disgruntled veteran members, several different coups and a whole host of other shit like that tarnishing us.

why? because im running shit this time around and without any interference of a half dozen opposite minded people i have to coexist with.

the reason darkenbane isnt darkenbane is because the people running darkenbane are not darkenbane material, nor are the majority of those on your members list.

like i said though, good luck with whatever you personally try to accomplsih haanibal. i will stop on that note so things dotn escalate into me shitting on the wrong people =P

[Azzar]

Darwoth crashes the reality train into DB.com once again haha.

So many lol worthy quotes.

[Saradin]

as for no time, fine no problem there. its a pity for the remnants of darkenbane though that you all responsible did not consider that before fucking the guild up and running off those who had the time and ability only then dropping the ball when the guild needed direction most.

saved me the trouble though and managed to prove me right again, even faster than i had originally thought =P

DB needed direction when Grayrage left. I gave it to them with the help of a few others, you included. I also stated that WoW was my last game BEFORE WoW started ( you can search the forums for this if you like ). I didn't drop the ball anywhere -- I merely stuck to exactly what I said. DB needs some direction again and we are going to find the person that can do that. I don't recall running anyone off but I do remember two conflicting leaders at a time when I was barely active. End of story.

[Ekimus]

just can't stay away huh dar

[Buto]

Meh, see you in Conan.

[Haanibal]

Darkenbane will be Darkenbane again, I don't give a damn what it takes. And I don't have blind faith for the record, because the faith is in myself. I'll lead this bitch and as soon as people see Darkenbane flying they will hate us and try to grief us, which is all good because it adds flavor. Even if it means having an 8 member roster just to get things going, and to be honest I could care less if it gets bigger. The older DBer's know that this guild was never about numbers. We suck balls at PvE anyway.

[Arkons]

We suck balls at PvE anyway.

this is true. should be changed to our guild's motto.

[Haanibal]

this is true. should be changed to our guild's motto.

Or maybe just the charter should say.

1. We kill people.
2. We suck balls at PvE.
3. Refer to number 1 if you become confused as to why you joined this guild.

[Skrowfunk]

Darkenbane will reunite for the Lego MMO



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I don't know why I posted here was looking up people who play on Doomsayer! chortle

-Fyrefist S'Es, Cleric of Lugoj.

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i was directed to this thread the other day and got a good chuckle from it, originally i wasn't going to say anything because it is pretty self explanatory what happened. but then again sometimes it is hard to hold your tongue in golden opportunities like this.

this will be a long post, if you dont read it all or just skim it do not bother responding to me as i will ignore you.

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first of all, i told you so.

second, thirdly and fourthly.....

told ya so.

for those of you that were in the loop at the time that i left the guild you will recollect my prophetic words to the effect of "the guild has 6 months before it implodes on itself"

we see now that it was actually much sooner than that, and 2 years later the guild is nonexistent.

how it got to this point is a long road with a lot of stops and turns but at the end of the day it was simply selfishness and greed by the "leadership" combined with a lack of a real leader to keep the guild on track.



years ago when grayrage made the whole "inner council" system of leadership it was the beginning of the end. in order for a guild to thrive, ESPECIALLY a pk guild, there has to be one dictator of a leader that has the final say on things and stays true to the vision of the guild. instead what darkenbane had/has is a half dozen "officers" most of whom did nothing at all but take up space that you needed to run things by and get approval from that were all busy trying to politic something for themselves at the expense of the guild.

it had the flavor of some kind of warped PTA meeting where everyone is argueing about what color to make the wallpaper in the janitors closet.

most of the folks that are left here dislike me by a large margin. the majority of you dislike me for valid reasons such as the fact i do not like negros, am not much for touchy feely handholding when your being stupid or i pissed in your cheerios years ago when i was a teenager in some long forgotten encounter. the other segment however (hey jotok!) dislike me for the lies you were told about me behind my back and think i just decided to be an asshole one day for no reason. given that you honestly have no idea what went down behind the scenes on a daily basis and you had ol wormtongue saradin coupled with puppet eyepatch making up shit, combined with well intentioned yet misguided or illinformed folks like daefuin corroborating the story even though he knew it was bullshit because he didnt want folks knowing what really happened out of fear the guild would fall apart.. well i do not blame you.

first let us set the record straight, most of you will not remember these things as you were not around at the time so we will also make a small as possible timeline involving the relevant parts.


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grayrage disbanded the guild years ago when saradin and his friends that had just merged into the guild killed some rare spawn dragon in secret so that they wouldnt have to share loot with the guild. also known as the "bio orb incident". after this gross overreaction he promptly transferred himself to some pve server in eq where he sat for the next two years never once coming by this website again.

the guild was completely dead after this, even more dead than you are now. the boards had maybe one post a month. shadowbane finally released and after a month of scrounging up old darkenbaners i put together a guild of about 60 people, half were darkenbane and half were various folks from EQ. we would have named ourselves darkenbane but the majority of the darkenbane members at the time wanted no part of the name as gray had embarassed it so badly. we called ourselves shadow consortium.

6 months or so of total owning goes by in shadowbane, the group we had there was really just completely devastating, even shithead saradin was fun to have around as he was a lot different then. unfortunately the game was buggy as hell, constantly crashed, had horrible laggy server and heavily corrupted with biased staff (moneytree siege, being summoned to bottom of ocean etc lol) and everybody started mass quitting the game in droves. at the time i was dealing with legal issues regarding a probation violation, i was also 18 or 19 years old at the time and pretty hotheaded so im sure i pissed off a number of people for various things.. one of those things which proved to be a big mistake both for me and the guild was reuniting grayrage, toad, lisa and the other carebears that transferred to the pve server in eq and abandoned the guild with darkenbane again. i did this due to "old time sake" if you will and it was understood none of these people would ever hold any position of importance within the guild ever again so that they could not do any damage to it again.

shadowbane is rapidly dieing off and it looks like my ass is headed to jail for a few months so i hand the guild leadership off to lorglath (because saradin, meter and the other officers didnt want the responsibility) a month later the shadowbane contingent was dead.

i emerge from jail after a few months later and whats this? yep you guessed it, grayrage is somehow leading the guild! toad and lisa are inner council! lol! i didn't last long obviously, gray ended up mass recruiting dozens of complete morons during the discord promo event, openly encouraged hacking within the guild which himself and many other happily engaged in and darkenbanes reputation was quickly going down the shitter as another hacking script kiddy guild.

i was told to either deal with it or leave, and then later gray made a big emo post about how he will never game with me again and removed my private access. so i "left" and about 10 or so quality darkenbaners (jotok, arkons, vega among some) left with me.

we wasted some time in dark age of camelot on the ffa server for a short period of time waiting for world of warcraft to come out, originally i had zero intention of playing that horrible game as everything about it was screaming carebear to me. in fact i said for months how it would suck ass and i wouldnt play. but we all were chomping at the bit to own gray and thats where he was headed so we were going to hit it to.

2 months prior to the games launch a big dramabomb with gray and his faction exploded and meter stole the website from gray (who had been paying for it, lol) the officers gray appointed fucked him over and he was outed from the guild, with him he took a dozen or so folks leaving the guild once again in shambles.

i start getting private messages and emails from saradin asking... no begging me to come back to darkenbane both because a number of top notch players left with me and because "i cant lead this group of retards alone"

reluctantly i agreed under the understanding that i would eventually be reinstated to the leadership position of the guild so that i could run shit my way and since i was the gm of the guild before i went to jail and gray somehow weaseled in there.


instead what transpired in warcraft was me spending a year and a half argueing everytime i logged on with between 3 and 5 people intent on destroying the guild doing my best to preserve what darkenbane was.

the first of which was when archimonde was hosed for a week due to the huge number of people trying to play on it and grays guild moved to illidan. i wanted to move to illidan as well so that we could act upon the 6 months of shittalk between grays new guild DIE and DB. nobody else wanted to go fight gray however, wtf? i should have known then that things were headed downhill.



i mean fuck almost everything "big" that people enjoyed and have fond memories of that we did as a guild in wow i was behind, i also caught TREMENDOUS shit over almost all of it.

remember the pirate boat raids? remember how if you were online you were expected to show up and be with the guild kicking folks teeth in?

yeah, well that was the source of many an argument. why? no idea.

remember the arena rumbles we would do? remember the time nurfed came in and tried to crash our party (while we were killing each other mind you, lol) and we completely rocked them then laughed our cocks off when they got all enraged and talked shit?

yeah saradin, eyepatch and meter were up in arms over that one. why? because for some fucking reason they were all nurfed pve fanboys and had forgotten darkenbane was a pk guild that killed anyone not in darkenbane.

remember the guild 1v1 tournament we did?

well aside from saradin, eyepatch, meter and so on not bothering to show up at all that was also a BIG DEAL. apparently i was hurting people like scape and skrowfunks feelings (because they were fucking horrible and lost to everyone, wasnt an issue until then) by making a pvp tournament for a pk guild and expecting people to participate. shame on me i guess, well no not really at all =P

remember daefuin ninjalooting harms first ragnaros kill after a bunch of those cocksuckers got dempig and others suspended several times over nothing?

well that was my idea (excellently implemented by daefuin btw as it would of been a decade before i ever made an alt =P) and the entire leadership was ENRAGED at me over it, the reason? because all the whiney dipfuck carebears that were recruited by eyepatch and saradin to fill a molten core spot were afraid people wouldnt group with them now.

i could go on and on here folks, it is really funny because all the things that the old school members look back on from wow with fondness is shit that I WAS DIRECTLY BEHIND and i also CAUGHT UNIMAGINABLE AMOUNTS OF BULLSHIT AND GRIEF FOR IT by the so called "leadership" EVERY SINGLE TIME for simply trying to create some pvp centered fun for the rest of you.

you tell me, should the leadership of a supposed "ruthless pk griefer guild" be getting bent out of shape on things like the above? should they be mass recruiting morons that have no place in the guild to fill a raid slot? should your application template for new recruits be heavily centered on pve bullshit? in fact, why were we raiding at all to begin with, i certainly recall being adamantly opposed to the notion...... oh thats right saradin and toad wanted their shiny epics and convinced the rest of the guild along with eyepatch that they needed pve shit to compete in pvp, nevermind the fact that since the guilds inception that wasnt necessary, since most of them werent around that long i guess we can give them a pass for their ignorance =P.



oh did someone mention loot drama?

if you folks had any idea how much of a fucking sideshow every single MC raid was in officer chat you would hate humanity as much as i do.

first and most importantly saradin and toad were constantly bickering over rogue loot, and i do mean constantly. it was so bad that even the other officers would frequently put them on ignore over the shit as they went back and forth.

however if it stayed between the two of them it wouldnt have been an issue, it became an issue when they started appointing themselves shit over the rest of the rogues in the guild, i remember one time when they threatened to kick my wife out of the guild if she wanted to roll on some weapon that she had no interest in and wouldnt of rolled on anyway because she wasnt a lootwhore like them, fucking hilarity lol.

one incident though that stays with me is when saradin took himself a 5 month break from wow (he said he had quit), of course as soon as all of the hard work in doing things with 2 dozen people instead of 40 was done and we had begun progressing along pretty well the jackass comes back. at the time we had a relatively new recruit rogue in the guild, his name started with a D i believe. anyway this guy had been with us every single raid for months since just before saradin left, put his time in and hadnt got much of anything for his efforts.

saradin "comes back", he has been back for 2 weeks, hasnt helped on any MC raids the entire time because "he isnt really back just testing things out". whelp his first time back in mc with us, you guess it a rogue weapon drops....

our loyal new guy that has busted his ass for 6 months is at the top of the list as toad already had one, he gets it right? right?

nope! saradin does! I WAS THE ONLY FUCKING GUY OUT OF THE SIX VOTING THAT VOTED FOR THE OTHER GUY, you know why? BECAUSE SARADIN THREATENED TO QUIT THE GAME AND THE GUILD IF HE DIDNT GET HIS PRECIOUS FUCKING DAGGER.

wheee dramabomb ensues, whathisname is obviously upset. he is told to fuck off in guildchat by various parties, i send the guy a tell trying to get him to calm down because i liked him and didnt want him to leave the guild even though what happened was bullshit, told him i wanted him to get the dagger and i would try my hardest to make sure he got the next one......

15 seconds later in guildchat.....

"blah blah fuck you darwoth you asshole"
*soandso has left the guild*

yeah, everyone pinned that guy leaving on me like everything else =P

oh, and yeah that is just the tip of the iceberg rofl. i mean i have hundreds and hundreds of screenshots and even a few TS recordings of some of this soap opera class bullshit. then you got all the good shit like talking about how xyz member that has been with the guild ten years and has kids with a 60 hour a week job is a worthless sack of shit and is going to be booted from the guild because he cant raid and so on.


anyway i hung in there as long as i could and did my best to keep the guild on course with pvp events and so on whenever i could get the shitbag "officers" to go along with it, one big problem is nobody ever wanted to agree to any of the shit i wanted to do for us even if they liked the idea because they did not want ME doing it and they were trying to fade me out of things and cut my visiblity to the memberbase as much as possible.

best way to completely change the face of a guild is to alienate the old members to the point where they leave or go inactive, replace them with twice as many mass recruited pve minded players and then lastly demonize the one or two high visibility folks in the leadership core with the original ideals as an asshole.

thats exactly what happened and is tantamount to why guilds with multiple leaders never work out =P

at this point most folks in the guild didnt like me and i didnt like them, hell at that point most folks in the guild were whiney ass loot obsessed carebears as the older members whom i had history with had quit the game or guild. the ones that werent hated me for other reasons such as my political or racial viewpoints, i know all of the europeans and canadians despised me for sure =P

so with the climate right for the coup de grace people just started making up shit about me, causing drama and having me deal with it or directing new members that didnt know any better to do shit they knew would get a rise out of me.

examples?

inviting a chinese farmer into the guild making a mockery of the guildtag that had been around for 12 years.

telling seoinage and others it was ok to leave the guild and join some stuipd joke guild like the various "pewpew poopoo" tags that were around at the time.

telling scape that the reason his little brother couldnt join the guild is because i didnt like him even though i was the only one who DID like him and wanted to tag him. (scape freaked out and quit over that, telling me how much of a loser asshole i was on the way out. if he only knew lol)

inviting lardass teenage morons like skurvu into the guild and directing him to call my wife a stupid whore and bitch in public channels for no reason but to get a rise out of me and forcing me to remove him.

toad going on one of his famous powertripping rampages and kicking out lorglath, decadence kanibal and someone else because they dared to go do stratholme by themselves and sending me to clean up the mess. well i disagreed with toad and i was trying to get them all back in, but they were pissed and as predicted since i was the one talking to them i was the one labeled as the asshole.


lots and lots of examples to be made.


anyhow one fine day eyepatch logs on, we have a relatively small argument about something that i can not recall and he declares that "either he goes or i go" and that he was going to take the guildbank with him. rofl.

with most of the "leadership" not exactly seeing eye to eye with me it didnt take much to see where this was headed.

nonetheless a "vote" was held where everyone except me got to show up and talk about how much of an asshole i was behind my back, the end of the vote consisted of eyepatch saying he would quit the guild, the game and hijack the guildbank. meter whom has hated me for years because is a socialist european and my american values are anathema to all he holds dear decided he would take down the website if i was allowed to stay, saradin and toad well ya know how that went =P

with that i was told that i could remain in the guild, but only as the lowest rank of member. obviously given the fact i had more time and effort put into darkenbane than all of these other people combined coupled with i never once did anything i didnt think was best for the guild compared to the lootwhores and dramaqueens track records not to mention brought the guild back from death during shadowbane.......

it was an insult of a high magnitude to say the least =P with that i left and finally ended the countless headaches and just annoyed demeanor garnered from the stress of interacting with people who for lack of a better term were just total fucking scumbags, basically everything i hate in people is what half of the "officers" of the guild embodied to a t.

buto, daefuin and arillious i dont know what exactly occured with them. i do know that buto sent me an email a month later stating they had all made a mistake and the guild died because i wasnt there and that while saradin is a great guy in real life he is a raging jackass in game and that he never intended to play with him in an mmo again, daefuin apologized to me for corroborating the bullshit version of events that was on the private board and chalked it up to "damage control" so that the guild didnt fall apart, arillious is probably off watching football somewhere but according to arromus he went along with the rest as well due to the threats from meter and eyepatch.



and so ended my involvement with the guild, in the two years since this guild has withered and died just like i said it would.

i on the other hand managed to build from scratch a new guild with new people along the same ideals and foundation of what darkenbane USED to be so many years ago. we have thrived since and have become infamous in every game we have played thus far.

i dont want to really talk shit here as there are a number of you i still like but our reputation in just 2 years has greatly surpassed that of darkenbane in its ten years of existence (all of that rep by the way, was built with different people under different leadership than what youve got sitting here now) why have we been so succesful?

because i am tenacious in that i only allow people that belong in the guild into the guild for one, we do not have 6 different factions within the guild and a decade of humiliating soap opera drama tarnishing us for another...... and we are also just pretty damn good =P

look at what i managed to build in such a short time from scratch with nobody to help me do it and just think what i could have done with darkenbane and its already existing history, infrastructure and playerbase had i been allowed to do things my way.



by the way you know the episodes and videos we have on our site that a number of you enjoy so much? yeah for years i wanted to get something like that going here, like everything else that wasnt carebear it was repeatedly shotdown =P

there are a few old darkenbanes in our ranks now (me, azriel, genaside) when those handful of you that are left want to leave this trainwreck behind and rekindle the fun you used to have drop me a line and we may be able to come to an understanding.


almost forgot...... "we are just inactive because we have no game to play that is hardcore enough for us!".......

LOL there are a half dozen suitable options out there, coming from a group of people that played wow for 2+ years on the pve carebear raid scene this is a wonderful joke =P

oh, and....... "we only ran ubrs to get keyed, thats it!" bwahaalshaha......

no actually we ran it most of the time for your stupid ass to get the dal rend sword like the original poster stated, the majority of the key pieces didnt even drop until after dal rend, which obviously by sheer coinicidence (lol) is where we all stopped and reset the instance =P

whoops almost forgot "yeah we quit wow because we just dominated shit and we all hit rank 14 showing how much we fucking own bro"

rofl, first of all 3 of you hit rank 14 not "all". the reason you hit those ranks is because you had multiple people playing the characters 24/7 in battlegrounds farming honor, perhaps the most hilarious thing here though is that you would even equate an honor grind as some form of "pvp" i am laughing my lungs out over here.

want to know what i think of dipshits like you that spent 6 months of your life on grinding rank 14? go watch my pvp video ( http://www.scarybadguys.com/videos/wothdar%20pvp.wmv ) or tune into my hwl episode ( http://www.scarybadguys.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20 )

no the real reason as anyone who was there at the time knows that everyone quit is because the guild has no sense of itself thanks to the environment created by the "leadership" (hilarious by the way, 20 of you were playing and tagged under dominion for 4 or more months, the guild we used to make fun of CONSTANTLY for being carebear bluebie fags how low can ya go!) and once the loot stopped flowing the majority of the members recruited for collecting said loot lost interest or went elsewhere.

anyhow im probably forgetting a whole shitload of stuff that i should of included, i dont really know why i posted at all other than having some time to kill and being highly amused at this thread and the subsequent attempted spin.

in all honesty i would like to thank saradin, toad, meter, eyepatch etc for fucking the guild up beyond repair and causing my departure. toward the end there 3/4 of the "new guild" hated me and vice versa so instead of spending my time cleaning up your messes and being the scapegoat for your failures while being guilded with a lot of folks i plain ol didnt like at all (which is why once left if you recall, he hated the majority of the people you all recruited good job causing that one) i managed to carve out a dramafree guild along MY ideals for what a pk guild should be, filled 100% with people i enjoy being around and gaming with and whom get along with each other, when we get a dramaqueen or someone that just doesn't fit they get swiftly removed... imagine that....... not having an overwhelming urge to beat the shit out of your guildmates and having to log off in disgust... say it aint so =P

feel free to pick apart my post, misquote me, put words in my mouth, argue semantics or take a page from the past and just lie through your teeth outright as i wont bother responding and even those who think i am an asshole know what i say to be true (when have i ever lied, about.... anything?) whether they will admit it or not, spent to much time on this already.


happy trails sirs. if you need to get ahold of me to tell me how much of an asshole i am or some such you know where to find me. (and wtf haanibal, half the folks on that list aint around anymore dude, certainly not me. you need to stay in the loop man =P)

Much anger. Inferiority complex. Questioning, "oh God, Why me?"

Yes, Darwoth has a micropenis with which he attempts to compensate via epeen.

Comedy Central.

[mannanan]

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