ok finally got shadowbane to work, my impressions so far....

[Darwoth]

well i got accepted into beta and decided id see if the game would work this tiem and to my surprise it did, although the framerate was around 1 or 2 fps until i turned down every graphical option (and my system has no problems running games with 10x the graphics of SB so its on their end) then it was pretty smooth.

i made a shade rogue soon to be assassin and ran around trying to figure out how to move/rotate the camera do basic shit for the better part of 2 hours and finally got to level 9.

then the servers crashed and i cant get back in atm.

dislikes so far:

1> i absolutely fucking hate the movement system, it is ridiculously difficult to follow people and as far as i can tell there is no follow function etc. simply moving around is a huge pain in the ass because you are constanly hitting shit in your way and you have to stop, go around, stop, go aroudn then continue etc.

it is also a real bitch to go over bridges/into towers/up on walls/inside houses with this system.

2> camera, the camera doesnt auto rotate, which when compounded with the above point and click movement (and its not like UOs point and click its way worse) makes for a real shitty time moving around because while your going one way you will suddenly have a side view and not be able to see in front of you and have to fuck with the camera angle to get iot to go right, which by the time you get that done your moving again and have to do it all over any fucking way.

i hope they come to grips that their attempt at "widening the scope" of the battlefield with dogshit movement options isnt a very good idea and put in camera lock, keyboard movements, or at least mouselock movements like UOs point and click, and an option for the camera to auto rotate. but i highyl doubt they will.


3> laggy, but its beta.....


4> low world content, for the most part everything looks like a plain square ground with buildings and trees floating on it, there arent many details at all that give a game that certain "feel" to it, though it is beta so i guess they will fix that later maybe.

they need to add the little details, this is one of the few things that DAOC got right, the forests in that game were covered in chest high ferns, small goblin camps etc, their fields, same thing except little houses and tall grass etc.

SB does have some places where there are ferns and undergrowth big enough to conceal a shitload of people from the groudn and from the air so i guess it hasnt skipped their mind totally which is good.


5> inventory system, i hate the square box tyoe inventory that games like daoc and AO use, annoys the hell out of me, the best inventory system in a game ive seen yet has been everquest, nice and smooth and easy to sort, here you just dump everything onto a fucking grid with scrollbars and dig through it if you need something, annoying as shit.

6> graphics suck, but ive been playing UO 2d for the past 4 or 5 months so i dont care persobnally but a lot of people will and that could hurt subscribtions and make populations low which would blow.


likes.

1> leveling is fast so far it seems, i got from 1 to 9 in like an hour or two, and max level apaprently is 60, so if it stay relatively easy i will be able to get a char to 60 in a few weeks or less and be able to play at my leisure the way games should be, noit have to camp items 24/7 as a second job to remain competitve like in EQ.

2> havent gotten to play much of the game yet ill get back to you =P

[Noobe]

http://www.geocities.com/not_noobe/spacecat.txt

[Vallidus]

Dar, most of the things you hate can be fixed, such as the camera thing, you can lock it so that it always stays behind you, in front of you etc, makes things much much nicer. also when u need to go in buildings an shit just use the num pad (4,6,8,2 an maybe some others move it around) to rotate til ya can get in.

Just findsomeone in game thats been playing and ask them, makes things muchnicer, I didnt know shit til i started bugging Arri for all the answers but if i remeber right you two dont get along, could be wrong tho. But if Im on Id be more then happy to help ya out with any questions ya may have.

[Darwoth]

whats is our name in game vallidus?


is it vallidus? =P

[Vallidus]

Actually its validus with one L, made the first Val a elf and ended up hatin it, but not enough to delete so voila :P

Lvl 12 Confessor atm so we could bust some heads Im sure, I know some pretty good xp spots that i should be able to hit until my late teens if not early twenties

[Darwoth]

ok well when you get in game my dudes name is dalthurn, name of my old newbiekiller, lev 13 shade rogue assassin with about 15 graves scattered throughout the bandit islands so far that you can use to triangulate my position lol.

[Vallidus]

Rofl~

aight Im justwaiting for the game server to come back up an then Ill be logginin an lookin for ya :)

Im not really that good at dealing dmg yet, gotta make some cash soi can train in Hammer and use my l337 scepter i picked up last night and will be a couple more lvls before i have my arsenal of insane DD's and DoTs :)

p.s. you shoulda made a Mage/Assassin, they do sweet dmg, well at least at lower lvls, I hardly ever even used my dagger with mine b4 i rerolled as a Confessor (I hate not being able to heal after playign a cleric for almost 4 years)

[Darwoth]

yeah i alwasy pick the shitty or most difficult classes at first it seems, in everquest i did a warrior before making a druid, in daoc i did a scout, then a ranger, in UO i did a clusterfuck.

oh well hopefully ill have a general idea iof what i want to play by release if i like the game once im high enough to try pvp, though ive been hearing in game that spells will get nerfed since their to powerful atm or some shit.

seems to me aracvoix archers are a bit to powerful, i was talking to one and he was telling me how he can see hidden people, shoot people while hes flying, can fly away when he gets attacked, and melees cant hit him in the air lol.

cant wait to get level 20 so i can go pk some people.

[Arri Skywolf]

The only reason right now that he can't be hit by melees in the air is due to a bug that gets you stuck in the air when you run out of stamina while flying. Stamina burns fast, and come release, he's going to have a rude awakening if he thinks he won't be getting his ass kicked by melees.

[Ghecko]

Darwoth if you're in a group there are auto-follow options called "Formations". Pretty nice.

Say you have 10 peeps in the group the leader can pick formations (single file, wedge shape etc).

Also I noticed when going in a building and to the second floor and shit its easier with an overhead view.

Im playing "Holythug" He's level 11 or so and is a Healer (base class) promoted to Chaneller (nuke la).

Vallidus (Validus one L) is a Healer -> Confessor (think necro with heals) uses DoT, Drains, etc.

Val we gotta hook up - Arri is too Leet to group with :)

[Hamadryad]

Hamadryad here, level 6 elf mage. -- Carnage server. My lag is just as atrocious as in EQ but I'm being told it's like that for everyone so I can deal, for now :p

[Darwoth]

wtf hamagan everyone else is on other server.

yeah i know about the formations ghecko but they suck because when the group makes them and everybody is moving in synch with each other so close everybody lags and rubberbands and ends up falling down slopes and shit =P

im level 17 atm, dont know what im training really so just been putting all my shit into daggers, armor and shadowmastery, hope i eventually do more then 8 damage a swing, (though i swing pretty fast and dual wield) havent found any weapons that are rated higher than that for dagger yet.

couldnt find anything that was high enough to give me xp last night either so just went around graverobbing for some cash lol =P

[Arri Skywolf]

You need to train hide to 18 and then GM sneak, if you're an assassin. Also, for stuff around your level you can repledge to wainthorpe, head west through the grobold area and then through another grass lands and right into a swamp with mobs that are high rank 1 low rank 2.

[Hamadryad]

WELL NOBODY TOLD ME.

[Ghecko]

Holythug is a Human, base Healer class, then at level 10 I promoted to Chaneller. When i created the class I blew 10 starting points and chose the skill "Tainted Mind" which is an innate mana regen.

I still can rez people, dumped points into Heal and usually keep any group alive. Since rez costs 200 mana (my total mana is 212) I rob thier graves and make them run. :)

The majority of points (which i didnt spend till after level 10) I dumped and maxed out (for now) my Ice Nuke. I can solo entire Grobold camps from far as hell just sending in ICBM missles.

I'm lvl 12 or 13 now and have nice buffs, heals, rez, and crazy fire power. I usually one-shot blue exp mobs.

Comparable in EQ to a Cleric Wizzie combo. I'm loving it.
Got smoked last night by a level 50 dude - I got summoned / guilded then died not realizing i was bound where the guild they're warring lives (bwahaha) I died and appeared in hell. Had to hot-step the fuck outta dodge. At least i got in a nuke on the dude before he dropped me with 2 slashes.

Darwoth that shit made me laugh man. When I dont feel like soloing or grouping, I go to the regular exp Grobold spots, blow away the mobs to clear shit up, then rob all the gravestones of the groups that have wiped out there.

I've made well over 10K so far just robbing fuckers :)

[Gink]

Atleast you actually GOT a spot.

I've been registered for over a year and DICK ALL.

Damn me.

[Arri Skywolf]

Putting points into heal just seems to make the mana cost go up and you don't actually get healed for more ;(

[Hamadryad]

Well the lag has gotten so bad I can't play, just like in EQ ;P

I'll maybe start this summer.

[Darwoth]

well if i can stop lagging out and dieing from haviung to stand there while not hitting back long enough to kill something maybe ill get a few levels and be able to train up hiding and stealth lol.

i have a few questions though...

1> how do you get the sub disciplines, i heard you get runestones that givbe them to you, so if you get a runestone and use it can it be looted when you die thereby making you go farm more stupid npcs to get your abilities back?

do you have to train disciplines like you do the other stuff?, if so how many points does it take to train them etc. what im saying is will you have enough training points to max your character in primary skills and the disciplines he picks, or is it like DAOC and UO where you have to balance skill points between skills for the best efficient combo?

2> everyone is saying we are in the "newbie zone" until level 20, does that mean the area im currently runn ing around in is the newb zonee? if so how do you get out of the newb zone?

and if your in the newb zone when you hit level 20 then what happens? do you just get randomly ported to a player city?

also heard you can PK other people before level 20 you just dont get xp for it? if this is true how? everytime i try to kill someone it says i cant.

3> this should be covered in a FAQ on the SB site but it isnt, what effects do the traits give? its always diofferent in each game, str obviously effects how much you can carryt but does it also deal with weapon damage for a dagger assassin? does dexterity effect weapon speed? im not noticing any difference betweenb when i first started and now with 115 dexteroity, but the lag is pretty bad so ......

intelligence mana right? anything else?

constituion is HP, and stamina right?

wtf does spirit do?

4> why the hell am i doing 8 damage max a swing with 79% dagger, i was doing similar to that when i started.





yeah ghecko its funny graverobbing lol sure as fuck beats running around killing crap for money, ive got a little over 30k in bank and a whole bunch of field plate and chain armor peices worth a few k each that i need to find an npc to buy from me, i went to the bandit camp last night and there was an entire groups graves just sitting right in a cluster got about10k and misc armor from that lol.

[Gink]

Hama, not gonna use your beta acc, how about letting me take it for a spin, i've got everything installed already just waiting to be accepted and have yet to be.... :P

[Hamadryad]

Sorry bud I lent it to a guildmate already :\

I will still use it just not when lag is bad, ie 8am -- noon

[Darwoth]

well i discovered another thing that pisses me off, when you die you not only lose xp, but if you dont have enough into the level you get an xp deficit, which after raking up a 40k xp deficit due to lagging out and dying 5 times really pisses me off.

i hope this isnt going to be another fucking groupfest to get anything done, impossible to solo so have to immerse yourself in the presence of fucktards tp advance type of game.

[Vallidus]

Grouping is much muchbetter Dar, you get a huge xp bonus and its easy and super fast, i got 7 levels in a little under 2 hours yesterday :)

butyes Fucktards suck an theyre everywhere, so justlook for peeps you know i.e. me an Ghecko, Hama when she switches over :) and whoever else, theres TONS of rz peeps playin beta right now :P got ina arguement with a PB person in chat lastnight claiming PB never broke the rules :P

[Keta Mean]

god damnit, i want to play so fucking badly. Still no word on getting into beta. I wanted to try this out so I can get ready for when it actually comes out. who has an account i can get ;)

[Vallidus]

I love Shadowbane :D

Coupel dislikes i.e. movement is a pain in the ass, and freakin graverobbers always jackin all my shit :P I played fer 3 hours one night an i kid you not every time i died (which wa alot, my group sux0rd and i was super low lvl fightin reds)someone looted my cash if fot everything I had :P

[Noobe]

Am I going to be able to play SB when it comes out? I've got a pretty shitty comp, 499 Celeron, 190 something mb ram, and a geforce 2 ;/

[Darwoth]

ok found a group of people that didnt suck and am lev 21 now, every level i get there ends up being a half dozen more things to train so have no idea wtf to spend points on since i dont know what anything does lol.

going to try to get another level or tow before leaving newb land, also i understand you get your first discipline at 20 but damn if i saw any options for any......

[Rahne Sinclair]

Discs are things you have to find in game. Similar to heading to Guk to camp for your FBSS.

There are mobs that drop them.

As far as points to spend, check out the boards, read the class info under the forums, that would be my best suggestion to you.

Intelligence will increase your DD dmg, and your healing power, but Spirit is your mana.

If your willing to put in the reading time, I'd suggest heading over to the boards and reading, there's volumes and volumes of information.

Oh... yes, you are on what's termed as Noob Isle, if you go through your options, then select Windows, then World map, if you notice the Red arrow (you) you will see your on a small island, with the rest of the world being separate from you. That island is PVP free, and you have to pledge to one of the Freeholds (King's Cross being one of them) to get off the newb land, the actual city itself is also PVP protected but once your out of there, it's a free for all, every level/man for himself.

[Darwoth]

i did read a bit over there rahne but didnt see much related to assassins, guess ill look closer.....

can your disciplines be lost/looted when you die?

do you have to use a shitload of points on them like for instance dagger skill?


oh, discovered another thing, noticed that on character creation there is a tab to select special ability runes.... to bad i didnt notice that before i would of got that tough hide and some additionall dagger skill instead of 20 dex, damn it lol.

[Pookrt]

Ok go to http://www.k2.org/cgi-bin/ib311/ikonboard.cgi?;act=SF;f=10 for some info on Shadowbane. You can download different parts of information on the traits and stuff. Do I have to do everything around here? :D
I don't have an account. Damn ubisoft!

[Arri Skywolf]

Assassins need dexterity to raise their defense, attack rating, and dagger damage is based on dexterity. I would suggest putting points into dexterity untill you can't anymore. Then go with constitution. Also, your intelligence dictates how far you can train your skills (dagger, light armor... ). It is your int +60 is how much you can train. Try to get your intelligence up enough to be able to train up to 130% skill (for daggers).

No one can loot your discipline rune if you have applied it. You also can't remove it after applying it.

[Rahne Sinclair]

Pook, alot of that information is way outdated, keep that in mind when your looking through it, it may or may not be current.

Dar: Arri pretty much summed it up, disc runes are permanently applied. Another thing to keep in mind if you were to choose say.... "Bounty Hunter" you don't just put points into "bounty hunter" you train your Master Skill which is probably called something like Bounty hunter, then the higher you raise that, you'll get access to certain skills that you have to train separately.

That's a WHOLE lot of training if you take into account that you need to train Daggers, Dagger Mastery, Light Armor, Shadowmastery, your spells that come with Shadowmastery, Stealth, and THEN anything you get with your Disc.

ALL of that adds up to hella training points, so keep in mind you'll need levels to get all those points, and it will probably take some time before you notice great results. (pick one or 2 and get them high first, like Daggers and Shadowmastery, and some spells, and stealth.) Keep the others up to date, but don't throw a ton in, as you can balance them out later.

This game is going to require alot of thought into building your character, alot more than EQ ever did. just don't get impatient with it.

I don't know if your viewing the right forums, but if you go here: http://ubbforums.ubi.com/ you will see at the bottom a forum for each individual class. You may be talking about this, you may not, I don't know, but the Assassin forum is probably your best bet for info.

[Darwoth]

ok so just concentrate on core skills then worry about discplines later? thats cool because i cant really see anything i would want except maybe archer and bounty hunter depdning how the enslave thing works.

is there a max you can train something to? i had thought it was 100% until arri said to do dagger to 130%......

also what level do you get "grandmaster" status on a skill, and since i have to train spells how the hell am i supposed to know how high to train them?

i am lev 21 in kings cross atm, cant find a group for shit and everyone is like level 40 so i cant kill anybody either =/...

there was some caster dude with a pet knocking down everyones houses outside the gates which was funny =P

[Rahne Sinclair]

The max you can go with your skills is dependant on your INT, although keeping it within the 100-130 range is common for most people so far... I don't know the specific benefits.

[Arri Skywolf]

Taking the skill higher to 130% or so raises your attack rating and also the damage output. Also, with specific skills like sneak or backstab etc, you put 40 trains in them to get them to grandmaster. On the dagger and other skills with a %, the amount of % you gain per train is determined by your intelligence/level/skill%.

[snarem_rz]

yea im guessing im making a warlock but like every spell you get you have to pay a certain amount of points to get it right? Also lets say i get a summoner discipline ... will my pets get more powerful as i lvl or put points into that discipline or???

[Vallidus]

Actually all yer spells have req's which u need to pay to meet such as Thaumaturgy for my Confessor, I just up that as i need to and the new lvl spells open up, but then i can put points in to raise them afterwards but usually costs a grip of gold

and i have yet to even see a single warlock :P

[Darwoth]

well i stopped playing my gimped shade assassin and made an irekei one, and got the 5% to all melee damage resist at startup and have a general idea of what to train now so i dont have 20 points in everything and consequently suck at everything like my other one.

new chars name is darwoth wothdar.

atm i think the only discipline i am going to look at is bounty hunter, detect hidden, track and enslave whatever that is sounds cool......

although track better have a hell of a range on it since your radar picks people up a mile away.

[Rahne Sinclair]

You may or may not be happy with Bounty hunter's Detect Hidden, you can only train it so high, and once higher level rogues train their Stealth over that limit (which what crazy rogue WOULDN"T?) the detect becomes practically useless.

[snarem_rz]

Ok rogue assassins suck ass at lower levels , but higher up are they pimp?

[Darwoth]

i noticed another thing, when you add 5 dex you get an increase of 1% in dagger skill, so for anyone making a rogue assassin dont raise your dex until after you have raised dagger skill high enough where you stop getting 2% per point and only 1, then raise dex and get like 6 or 7 free trains.

[Rahne Sinclair]

5 int will also raise your skills 1%

[Darwoth]

well i ran out of money to train so made a new char and went and made some friends.....

http://www.darkenbane.com/pictures/281/4/large/14685.jpg



lol

[Rahne Sinclair]

hahahhahaha that's great.

[Vallidus]

HOLY FUCKING SHIT!! ROFL Thats fucking hilarious Dar :P did you make a Mage Assassin this time? They own I tell ya, straight own~

[Ghecko]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[snarem_rz]

so when sb goes gold were all on n00b island and therefore 10293902190312 people = everyones assed out right?

[Darwoth]

damn it lost all my graverobbing cash, i transferred 30k by killing my grave robbing char in a secluded spot only to get there and see some other assnugget robbing my grave!

so i go rob another 30k and put it on the ground behind some bushed with some daggers and the shit had dissappeared in 30 seconds, log in today to find out there was a bug that ate items you put on the ground if you lagged and got the "drop this" menu twice (i did)

oh well doubt ill get higher than lev 25 before next char wipe, least i am learning basics of the game though.


snarem there are going to be a number of servers (that they are supposed to make interlinkable later, so it would be like people from rallos going to a teleporter and ending up on veeshan and laying down some assbeat), and newb island is pretty big.

though i also understand each server will have a different map/landscape not a mirrored world.

[Darwoth]

btw rahne what is you in game name?

[Pookrt]

Ok anyone know how Rangers work out. Thinking about making a Half-Giant Ranger that uses axes since they get +10% for axes. The only thing is that they have to be part of a ranger and druid guild. Although I don't understand the guild thing this would seem like a bad thing.

[Rahne Sinclair]

Maelstrom is my scouts name.

[Mawwle]

Well, seeing how much fun you guys were having, i decided to sign up for beta a few days ago. Figured it was too late, but what the hell, I"M IN.....muwahahah.


Downloading it now, probably wont be on tonight, but maybe tomorrow night.

How many servers are there? and what server are you guys on?
I have never beta tested anything before heh, but it's gonna be fun i think. Been missing my eq days for a few months now, dieing for some interaction.


See ya'll soon :)

Mawwle

[Mawwle]

Bored watching this thing download, but at least i have some good bandwidth. Its currently comming in at 800 kbps.



<taps his fingers impatiently while this file downloads>

Mawwle

[Gink]

omg i hate you mawwle :P

I've been signed up for over a year.

Beta fully installed and patched.

AND NOTHING!!!

Bah fucking humbug

[Pookrt]

How do I install beta? I have a few friends that are all signing up for it and we will share a account so I need to install it when one of us gets picked. So if someone would please give me the site.

[Hamadryad]

Do you have an old computer Gink?

[Arri Skywolf]

People with older computers usually get picked before those with newer ones, actually. They want to find how their game will run on older machines, and tweak it so it works on such. They know people normally have machines older than 6 months to a year, and they know people are going to go out and buy a new computer just to run their game. (usually)

[Genaside]

Has anyone gotten SB to work with an ATI Radeon 9500pro 128 ram?

SB works on my old comp with some shitty geforce 3, but not on new one. It crashes when it gets to char select.

Maybe todays patch fixes something (haven't downloaded yet), just wondering if anyone did get the game running on my card.

[Darwoth]

2 servers carnage and aerynth, everyone is on aerynth because carnage was just added.

[snarem_rz]

how long did it take them to get back to you on beta testing .... plus all you fuqers got in beta where everyone and their dog is in it cept me :(

[Mawwle]

Got back to me in about 3 days.

I have a couple of questions for you veterans out there :)

I can't seem to move any windows around. The online manual says just left click to grab and drag the window to where you want it, but it doesnt work.

Also i closed my window that had spell icons in it, for shortcut to casting spells. Now i cant figure out how to get it back open. Its not under the "windows" options in the main menu. Any help would be appreciated.

Mawwle

[Vallidus]

1st to move windows you need to hold shift while you left click, and as for the spells thing, i believe the menu you want can be opened by hitting "P" for Powers and under there u can find windows for spells, special attacks and so on.

Dont be afraid to use the /info chat, people are more then willing to help out with even the mostsimple questions, sure ya getsoem know it all dickheads but more often then not people are pretty cool, well unless you happen to die near them, I swear 90% of the times i die a groupmate loots my body~

guess its karma tho, I had myentire group die on me one night, cept for me hehe, and icoukldnt help myself and made a quick 40k :P

[Mawwle]

Thanks val, i'll try it when the servers come back up.
And yea, i already ran into one of those know it all dickheads lol.
Nothing like being a complete newbie.


I must say i do not like the movement system though. I am sure i'll get used to it, but i always prefer 1st person view over 3rd person.

Mawwle

[Vallidus]

Yah my first day of playing I ran to this camp looking for a group and asked if I could get into a Grobold group, since well, the entire camp was Grobold archers, soldiers etc etc and these two shitheads start bitching and "LOL"ing at me "STUPID N00B ITS CALLED THE BANDIT CAMP!!!"

Unfortunatly at the time i didnt realize they were the fucktards as the "bandit camp" was north of where we were~

EDIT: and Mawwle, feel free to send me a tell in game if you have any questions, names Validus with one L :P and after a few weeks ofplay I still hate the damned movement~

[Darwoth]

damn it i just found aracoix can be assassins to (and you can unlock the races in beta by going to billing and picking the 12 month cycle even though you arent charged) so cant decide if i should go irekei with the dagger and fire boost, or aracoix with the ability to fly.

anyone know if aracoix can fly while stealthed?

the ability to fly would be pretty badass as someone trying to sneak into a city, as i understand it, passwall ability can only be used on gates/doors? so as an aracoix you could quickly fly over one wall at the back of the city and stealth in, but then i dont really want to be a damn bird either.

i havent been able to land on any roofs yet, when i try to it just drops me through into the building, though that could also be very useful =P

im sticking with my irekei for beta since he is lev 21 and want to try some of the higher abilites, but hard to decide now for release.


i dont know a whole lot mawwle but feel free to ask me shit, and eyah the movement is total crap, it is a real bitch trying to move through a heavily wooded area (or anywhere else other than an open field) like the swamp with a bunch of shit beating the fuck out of you.

[Gink]

my comps not that old...ok maybe like 2 years i think?

its

800mghz
256ram
geforce2 mx400 (64mb)


It should be able to run it no problem~

[Rahne Sinclair]

Aracoix can fly while stealthed.

[Vallidus]

with the movement the way it is i see Casters having a HUGE advantage when fighting in wooded areas, i coudl be wrong, havent pvp'd yet, but it seems a caster could just nuke the shit outta someone while theytry to gettheir arse around the trees :P

[Darwoth]

yeah thats true vallidus but as an assassin they wont see me till im stabbing them in the ass like a drunken turk, then THEY are the ones that will get caught up in the trees =P

[Arri Skywolf]

Actually the default when you attack something is you automatically follow it. You can toggle this by typing /com

Also, casters don't have many hps at all, they run out of stamina quick because they don't have much of it (so they can't run as far from a melee), melees (not rogues, but they do hit VERY fast) do a very significant amount of % of a caster's hp per swing, where as a caster has to nuke a melee quite a bit to kill them. Also, flying for a caster isnt' very viable considering you run out of stamina EXTREMELY fast as a caster while flying. Hope they address some of this, but doubt they will.

Gink, not sure why you're having such a problem. I logged in tonight and lagged a bit and decided to log off till it cleared. But it usually clears up by midnight my time. (mountain) Although I've played during the day and haven't had a problem recently. So I'm not sure what's up.

[Darwoth]

i have another question for you higher level people.

with the runes etc, you can have up to 8 runes when you create your character.

now my question is, so you have a total of 8 runes you can pick in all, so if someone picked 8 start runes have they made it so they cant use stat, discpline etc runes later on?

or are the 8 start runes seperate, if so how many of the other runes can you use?

also ive heard about +50 stat runes, like +50 dex, +50 str etc, do these runes come as +50 dex, +50 max dex, or +50 max dex where you have to burn 50 points to fill them?

ALSO, under startup runes several give stats like 10 dex or 10 str etc and say something like "this is a (insert stat here) rune, only one of this type can be used" so does that mean if i grab an extra 10 points in something at startup i cant use a +50 later?

and lastly are there resistance runes, skill runes, special ability runes (like witch sight start rune for example) in the game to be found also? or just discpline runes and stat runes?

[Vallidus]

Dar, got the name Ninja Looter, tommorrow we go ona rampage :D

[Rahne Sinclair]

Originally posted by darwoth
ALSO, under startup runes several give stats like 10 dex or 10 str etc and say something like "this is a (insert stat here) rune, only one of this type can be used" so does that mean if i grab an extra 10 points in something at startup i cant use a +50 later?


No, this is just applying for starting runes. It's like someone taking "Raised by elves" and "Raised by Dwarves" they are limiting people being able to do that.


and lastly are there resistance runes, skill runes, special ability runes (like witch sight start rune for example) in the game to be found also? or just discpline runes and stat runes?

I've only seen stat runes in game, or runes that give you a certain weapon proficiency, but I don't know for sure if they have resistance runes. Items can give you all of what you ask (there are see invis items <to a certain level> and resistance items and the like)


The other stuff I didn't answer I don't compeltely know. Maybe someone else does.

[Arri Skywolf]

Highest stat runes in game are +40. They add to the max amount of that stat you can have, so you have to spend points to apply the rune, and then put in 40 or whatever points to fill it up.

[Darwoth]

how many stat points will someone have by 60?

[Arri Skywolf]

Well I have filled up a +35 int rune and still have an extra 21 points, and my character is level 47.

[Mawwle]

Is the game extremly laggy for you guys?

I am running a 1.5ghz machine with 512 ram and windows xp, geforce 3 with i think 64 meg. Game is so laggy in wooded areas, i get about 2 to 3 fps.


Also (and i think is server lag) i will move from point A to point B, then suddenly i am back at A again, headed towards B.


The game has potential, but i dont see how it can possibly be ready by march 25.


Mawwle

[Arri Skywolf]

Yesterday and today had some bad lag/rubberbanding. There are times when it's lag free with 1500 people on, and then with 1000 people on it's really laggy. When they start logging everything is when it gets really bad. Lag goes away usually around midnight to 1 am est~ heh.

[Arri Skywolf]

That is on the days they are logging and causing everyone to lag. Also right after big patches there is a period of alot of lag during prime hours, and yesterday they just patched ~

[Mawwle]

Thats kinda what i figured.

I also just downloaded some new video drivers, too see if it doesnt help with framerates some.

Mawwle

[Mawwle]

Ok, got a huge performance change. The new video drivers didnt do much, but changing refinement range to about half made it a fair bit better.

But oddly enough, the biggest differance came from changing screen resolution from 800x600 to 1024x768.

Kinda strange that INCREASING resolution improved performance, but it did make a Big differance. No more slide show in wooded areas.

Mawwle

[Mawwle]

If you click on the diagnostics button in the main menu, it shows you your current and average frame rate. Just wondering what some of you are getting and what processor/video card your running.


Mawwle

[Darwoth]

i have a 1.6 gig p4, 256 megs ram, geforce 4 graphics card, windows xp and a cable connection, since i started looking best framerate has been 14 fps after a few hours i bog down to a low of about 5 or 6 fps and have to relog to get back to a better fps, worst lag i have had so far has been 16k ping, but so far as i understand it form everyone wolfpack is doing all of this on purpose to see how much the servers can take before breaking.


i think i need another 256 ram though since XP is supposedly a hog on resources, even though i shut down all unecessary progs except firewall.

[Mawwle]

OK, so its not just me then. I am running 1.5 with 512 ddr ram and geforce 3. I typically get 11fps. Thats really shitty, i mean i know i dont have the highest system out there, but it is by no means "low end".

I definatly hope they get some of this worked out. the game seems like it has great potential. I love the interface, except for the movement. Completely customizable. If they want to keep the 3rd person view in thats fine, but they really need to add a 1st person or they will lose a lot of potential business. Eq ran both, but almost everyone played in first person, seems like they would have gotten the hint.

Whats going on with the servers? i have a 10 second delay on anything i do lol. at one point i had 19,000 ping times. Average was about 10k.


Mawwle

[Dannk]

I'm a fan of first person view myself. I played UO, DAOC, EQ, Endless Ages and Earth and beyond and I find the first person view games run smoother cuz you don't have as much shit on your screen and are more immersive. I hope they scrap the 3rd person view and go all FPS

[Arri Skywolf]

Third person view is better :)

[Ghecko]

Arri's Turkish Bath Hizouse !!!!!!!

[Arri Skywolf]

Dude, r30s came and destroyed my citadel.

[Darwoth]

yeah thats another thing im curious about perhapos you could answer, with regards to houses etc.....

ok as i understand it you can build a house just about anywhere but anybody can come along and destroy it if they spend enough time if you dont have it protected inside a city/healed by the tree of life.

now when you build a house do you have to pay upkeep to keep it from falling apart? if so how much? like how much did your citadel cost to build and maintain if you had to pay to maintain it?

also what is the point of a house other than hiring NPCs to work for you? what prupose do houses serve? can you store shit in them like the bank? can you lock them? if you can store stuff inside can somebody come in and steal your shit if you dont have the door locked? (assuming you can lock the door)

i know with the fortress type houses youi can hire guards? how many guards can you have in a citadel/how much do guards cost/how effective are they?

would it be a viable option for a small guild to build a hideout way out in the woods in some isolated spot and hire guards and have a resonable defense where it would take more than a minor effort by just a few assnuggets to knock it over?

the reason i ask is as i understand it any city that is planted with a tree in the middle shows up on radar, so to truly have a "hideout" that can remain somewhat hidden for those of us that want to randomly kill just about everybody save one or two groups for buying and binding purposes you would have to forego the tree planting and go the route of a small enclave.

i have a thing for housing in these type of games if you cant tell, that was one of my favorite features of UO the fact that you could have a house or a guild could have houses to help claim territory and use as a base to work from, im hoping that non city SB housing is not retarded and pointless like anarchy onlines apartments.



and rahne how do you like the scout class? i am thinking of rolling one of those instead of an assassin on release and renewing my stealth sniper role i got accustomed to in DAOC.

i havent found much info on scouts though, the scout board on the message boards is very inactive, im curious what you think should be concebtrated on as far as abilities i heard that scout skills automatically train or some such? could you explain this and tell me the best way to get maximum efficency as far as points go?

also i noticed you were irekei the other day when i was doing random /who's but got involved with grave robbing (while vallidus and skeltore were telling me the reactions of their group LOL, you need to get on with ninja looter tonight vallidus =P)

any reasaon you went irekei over aracoix other than irekei look cooler/meaner? isnt the ability to fly better than the 10 extra max dex irekei get? with GM stealth an aracoix could stealth fly over a city wall and come up from behind or just sit inside spying right? one idea i have been thinking of is you could land on a rampart, and pop the fresh tree resses to totally fuck peoples high level equipment before they can get it repaired and thus damage defenders ability to defend since their prized +150 attack uber weapon and + stat armor just turned to dust and fly off the back and haul ass lol.

the complexity of SB char creation is both nice and annoying as hell because for one no matter what you do there is a better combo out there that owns whatever you come up with =/ and two the changes are by no means finished and what might own on release could get nerfed to oblivion a month later and there is not much documaentation as to the real working of how the mechanics work yet

[Arri Skywolf]

I'll respond to this in the morning after I wake up. Suffice it to say I'm intrigued by your 'hideaway' concept.

[Rahne Sinclair]

I love my scout personally. I chose Irekei over Aracoix for 2 reasons... well 3 really.

I like the Look of Irekei better, I don't want the exp penalty the Aracoix gives, and for a storyline background it's alot easier to explain why there's a black man in the Sinclair family, and not a big bird.

But actually yes, the flight is handy for exactly that, flying over your opponents walls. Other than that, the benefits start to spiral. Your stamina useage in the air is just too much. The exp penalty isn't worth it, IMO.

As far as popping people by their tree, yes it's a very viable strategy, the one thing you have to watch out for, is that they have a set timer where they are invulvernable to attack, after dying. If you walk up and go to shoot them, you unstealth, and then... nothing happens cause you can't attack them, so you kind just reveal yourself to their city... it's a little embarassing, not that I would know from personal experience.

[Arri Skywolf]

1. If you don't have a house friended to someone online at the time it can get destroyed because it is healed with gold. Mine got destroyed because I didn't friend it to anyone.

2. Yes you have to pay upkeep. My citadel cost 75,000 gold per week to upkeep.

3. Yes you can lock the doors to the citadels. It is a place to retreat to during battle and you have areas in it where you can shoot arrows/spells from. It comes with one hireling slot. This means you can hire 1 guard for the citadel. Guards cost 40000 gold, and I'm not sure on upkeep. No you can't store stuff there, but banks are fairly cheap to build.

4. As for the hideout. I'm not sure if you can have a bank or barracks without a ToL, but it is definately worth looking into. Barracks are expensive, 400k to build and 500k a week to upkeep, but that can be made by a 'small' guild. It's kind of a cool idea. Maybe I'll test it out one of these days before beta ends.

[Keta Mean]

I just got accepted to beta, DLing now, it will take fucking 5 hours, but now im all pumped, which servers are everyone on again?

[Darwoth]

was i right that a city or town with a TOL automatically shows up on the map then?

and a citadel can only have one guard? that sucks kind of a huge building for only one guard lol, is that one guard plus other things like shopkeeprs or banks or just one NPC period?

by your post im assuming that a barracks can have more? how many guards can you have per a barracks?

also when you say you can build a bank in your building does that mean that you hire a bursar NPC?

and is that storage tied into your normal bank storage or is it seperate and thus extra?


so im assuming the best type of building for this type of a small hieaway town would be a barracks with guards and one or two other houses with shopkeepers, bank etc?

and if you cant store anything in the houses what is the point of houses like the small cottage etc?




ranhe can you tell me about the auto training thing with scouts and skills etc? =P

[snarem_rz]

How long did it take for them to accept you into beta?

[Darwoth]

lol me and vallidus joined this group in kings cross last night and a guy in this group beside us killed one of the guys in our group so we killed the whole other group amid a bunch of "WTFs" and "who is attacking who!?", after that we "forgot" a couple people were in our group and killed them to lol.

after 2 of those incidents though the group was suspicious and then when i really did forget this one guy was in our group and started beating on him i got gangbanged by the group then server crashed before i could go back and kill the healer during the middle of an overpull lol.

fun shit vallidus we need to do it again tonight =P

[Arri Skywolf]

I haven't played much the last few days. I've sieged alot, but got frustrated because my computer is shitty and I can't handle sitting there being frozen for 5 to 10 minutes sometimes.

[Darwoth]

http://www.darkenbane.com/pictures/281/3812/large/14691.jpg


woot, this guy decided to sit down near me as i was about to log out. id normally have done about a third of that damage except he was sitting, and thanks to lag i scored two backstabs instead of the normal one backstab (although either one would have all but killed him and left him with about one dagger swing oh hp since he was half dead to begin with)

now that, is what assassins should be able to do on a regular basis, if we had a double backstab and not a double lag stab we might not suck so bad, we woulkd still have to get into position, still have to wait for the person to sit down while trying to avoid scouts and THEN strike at the appropriate opportunity.

[Vallidus]

holy shit, that was the most fun Ive had in Sb yet :D

Our plan all along was to kill the group anyways but when that guy killed our groupmate, well, that just opened the floodgate. Dar and i just started dropping people left and right. Our whole group was liek WTF, whos atatcking who!! Man, then when things have calmed down this guy walks up and is instantly barraged by Dar and I while "Hey, van i join your group" pops up over his head~

Mwahaha, definitly doin it again tonite omg

[Hamadryad]

lol I was grouped with some people at hillmen tonight and Darwoth sent me a tell saying "watch this" I knew what he was going to do so sent him a tell like 2 seconds before he attacked "dont you dare!". He came in and dropped one of my group mates and my group started wiping out cause we were already short on people, lol

I turned on sprint and ran -- They all died :p And thats my story.

-Hamadryad D'Bane-
----Huntress---->

[Darwoth]

lol yeah i had just logged on and picked up some battle spam and found the group on radar, got closer then i saw a hamadryad d'bane sitting in the middle of the group =P

screens may be a bit blurry because irfanview wont convert the TGA files from SB (but it will convert other TGA files so wtf?) so i have to enlarge, print screen, paste , then convert to jpg which really fucks up quality, soon as i figure this shit out ill replace them with some clearer ones.

http://www.darkenbane.com/pictures/281/3812/large/14695.jpg




http://www.darkenbane.com/pictures/281/3812/large/14693.jpg


this wizard annoyed me because he was acting like some super badass since he was almost lev 40, anyhow he kills the leader of this other lower level group that wasnt doing anything then starts walking around like hes king shit or something to impress the lowbies in his group, so i tailed him and once he sat down to rest blam =P


http://www.darkenbane.com/pictures/281/3812/large/14694.jpg



http://www.darkenbane.com/pictures/281/3812/large/14692.jpg

[Arri Skywolf]

That's great, lol.

[Vallidus]

Rofl, i just got done grouping withthose guys lol :P

Oh well, lvl 23 now an on the brink of 24

Best part is Duren fell asleep or somethin and when group started breakin up I stayed behind an waited til everyone was gone then BLAM BLAM!! 2 shots Duren goes down lol

Quick 4k an a nice new snazzy mace :D

I knew I shoulda taken a SS but I didnt bother too :(

[Arri Skywolf]

Vallidus~~~~~

Read your PMs on LV board.

[Vega]

Darwoth, toss me an email: callsign_vega@hotmail.com

[Gink]

YOUR NAME IS DARWOTH!??!? i've been calling you darworth!

Man, why the fuck didn't someone tell me?!

[Vallidus]

Heh i always thought it was Daworth :P

[Arri Skywolf]

I can read.

[Darwoth]

emailed you vega, and yes you POSs my chars name is darwoth not darworth.