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[Darwoth]

man this is fucking hilarious, this is a radio clip of the typical worthless moronic bleeding heart peacenik college liberal talking out of her ass about how we shouldnt go to war with iraq with absolutely nothing to back it up/no answers and this iraqi dude that fled iraq tears her a new asshole and puts it out there how full of shit she is.

http://komo1000news.com/audio/kvi_aircheck_031003.mp3

[Malignancy]

I couldn't agree more.

EC

[Mawwle]

Typical democratic bs


Quote from Tom Daschle

"Look, we have exhausted virtually our diplomatic effort to get the Iraqis to comply with their own agreements and with international law. Given that, what other option is there but to force them to do so? ... The answer is, we don't have another option. We have got to force them to comply, and we are doing so militarily."


And another quote from Tom Daschle

“.. saddened that this president failed so miserably at diplomacy that we’re now forced to go to war.”


Why the contrast?

Well, the first quote was from the 90's whenBill Clinton was president and Saddam was giving us trouble. THe Second comment was about George Bush.

Mawwle

[Arri Skywolf]

He was talking about the diplomacy with our allies and other world nations/the U.N. We could have had so much more support for this war if he didn't try to bully/bribe our own allies. Whether you can 'go it alone' or not, you don't tell your friends that they're not needed. That's insulting, and it's wrong.

Yes, I do support going to war with Iraq. No, I do not support President Bush.

[Tashern]

He was talking about the diplomacy with our allies and other world nations/the U.N. -Arri

He is using the war for political gain, trying to blame Pres Bush for war when diplomacy has been tried for 12 years. The same person last year declared the same "war rhetoric" shouldn't be used and everyone should support the pres.

Look for him to apologize or retract soon, he is getting blasted in the media as he should.

Also, why should the US have to bully/bribe other 3rd world countries to see Iraq is in violation of 1441 and 17 other UN Resolutions?

[Illusive]

Thanks for posting that Darwoth...

I admit I've had my doubts about going to war with Saddam, but hearing that completely removed them. I guess it means a lot more to hear the words from someone who's experienced the evil which lies in Iraq. And to here him so vehemently express his hatred; even accepting the fact some on his own family may die during the US invasion.

And to think there's millions of people in this world as blind and naive as that girl... god help us all.

President Bush is getting more bad press worldwide than Saddam himself. How many millions have people have died because of him during his regime? For christ sakes, he set up RAPE camps in Kuwait. He holds his own "cabinet" together through threats to their families lives.

If anybody wants Saddam out of Iraq more than the United States, I guarantee it's the Iraqies themselves. Yet they cannot speak out and let their voices be heard, because they'd come home to see their wife and children slaughtered.

So many people take freedom and liberty for granted, myself included, because you've had it your entire life and never have known anything else. I'm going to steal and butcher a quote: "I would rather die a free man, than to live as a slave."

[yaarii]

Reasons for going to war? Well everytime your president got up to speak at the press conference he was so predictable I didn't even have to listen to know what he said -

- we will prevail
- america is great
- saddam has wmds but is hiding them
- we must attack iraq

Now, someone please point out the link between 9/11 and Iraq? Because I simply don't see the connection - apart from the hawks in the whitehouse who are trying to extend the "war" on terror.

It's funny how so many people now see Iraq as some major threat to world peace and that Iraq must be suppressed, I mean, how many of those people thought Iraq was a threat 2 years ago? 4 years ago? 10 years ago? Funny how you call others media brainwashed when the Iraq issue has been 100% media motivated. Iraq didn't attack anyone, they didn't spy on anyone or do any other action to invite attention on itself - it was simply named as a state vulnerable to the US and one in which blame for 9/11 could be "shifted" through clever manipulation of patriotic stupidity.

Btw, I'm wondering when the invasion of Israel is going to happen? They are in breach of numerous UN resolutions and also possess wmd's. Is Bush going to set a date to quell this rogue state soon?

[Arri Skywolf]

Reasons to go to war:

-Iraq completely disregarding 16 different U.N. resolutions.

But let's make more resolutions, because he might not defy the 17th or the 18th, right? Right? You actually believe that?

What is the point of the U.N. saying anything (making resolutions) if it isn't going to back it up?

[Illusive]

Yaarii, maybe there is no connection between 9/11 and Iraq. I don't think there is personally, but that doesn't mean what Saddam has done and/or is doing is wrong.

Saddam now may not be a threat to world peace, after all he could bomb the hell out of his country and it still wouldn't be a threat to "world" peace.

Yaarii even though I strongly disagree with a lot of your viewpoints, if somehow someway Australia became a dictatorship that ruled through fear and death - I would be one to support military action to oust the regime and grant you your freedom.

Could you same the same in a reverse situation?

[Arri Skywolf]

I don't see the venerable United Nations (You know, that organization that makes your much heralded international law) declaring Israel in breach of the resolutions, and sending a peacekeeping force. Do you? No, because they aren't. So why don't you criticize the U.N. ?

[yaarii]

Arri - the UN didn't do jack shit about Iraq either. Remember it's the US flying the flag of international freedom, freeing people from oppression and destroying rogue states....so why Iraq and not Israel?

Illusive - it doesn't matter if you support that or not, according to the ANZUS treaty the US is obligated to assist the official government of Australia fight any aggressors to our state. Same applies in reverse, but it isn't in effect because it requires the US to be under direct threat by another nation, not nation-less terrorists.

[Illusive]

So if nation-less terriorists hypothetically took over your state, you don't care that we'd be the first in line to assist?

Anyways, done with the "what if" stuff. :P


I don't totally agree with the way our government handled everything, I feel we should leave everybody who doesn't want to participate out of it. The vast majority of England and Australia are against the war. I don't have a problem with it, let your guys stay at home. I respect our friends and allies opinions, but this country is determined to oust Saddam. I don't think our government should be pushing it upon other countries to join us.

[yaarii]

Well I blame all those dipshits who voted for our conservatives. They've sucked US dick for the last 7 years, and its only now that people are starting to realise something is wrong.

We recently had a big issue about "boat people", a few thousand people per year would come by boat from Indonesia to Australia and claim asylum. 99% are middle eastern. A norwegian freighter helped one of these boats as it was sinking and rescued about 400 of these asylum seekers, and then requested to dock in Australia. The conservatives, who were looking like they were going to lose the next federal election then denied the Norwegian freighter from entering australian waters. They then managed to convince most Australia we were essentially being inundated by these asylum seekers, and consequently won the next election by promising to rid Australia of the threat.

The problem is, there wasn't really a threat to begin with. We have about 80,000 legal migrants a year, and we limit asylum seekers/refugees to 12,000/year. Not only were there only about 3,000 at MOST arriving by boat every year, we weren't even filling our 12,000 quota of refugees in the first place. It was a classic case of convincing people there was a massive problem where there wasn't one. Then there were the lies, during their federal election campaign, the conservatives claimed they had proof of asylum seekers throwing their children overboard and letting them drown with a few dodgy photos. It wasn't until after the election, when there was an enquiry by our senate, that it was found out that the children thrown overboard actually had lifejackets and were being thrown to another, safer vessel, and that the adults then followed.

See this is just ONE example of where conservatives have lied and decieved for political gain, and this is why I have an extreme hatred for them. I could go on for days with incidents of conservatives bending rules, lying, deceiving, wasting public money (the treasurer recently lost $US2.5b, which is a significant amount of money in a country of our size, betting on currency exchanges), etc etc.

Blah.

[Malignancy]

Yarii will be so upset when we move on from Iraq to Iran and then North Korea.

Yarii--

I'm going to answer your questions in a way that hopefully your simple mind can understand:

(1) There is probably no connection between 9/11 and Iraq. Nevertheless, Sadam Hussein despises the United States. This is undisputed. We beat his ass 10 years ago and he suffers every day from our sanctions. If we let Hussein continue to exist, trade with countries like the former Soviet states and France, he will eventually be able to develop weapons of mass destruction that he can provide to individuals who WOULD attempt to use them against the United States mainland. He would do this simply because the destruction of the United States benefits him directly. With the destruction of the United States, the sanctions against him would be lifted and he would be able to expand his worldly power unopposed. This is unacceptable to us. Does this make sense to you? THIS is the reason that he must be destroyed. THIS is the real reason that we are going to defeat him now and not after he makes any future moves against us.

(2) I agree that Israel is in violation of many UN resolutions. Who really cares? The UN should be abolished. It is a conglomeration of countries that have no power and big mouths. I believe that they declared the United States itself in violation of various resolutions over the years. They're meaningless. Nevertheless, Israel is a FREE COUNTRY and its people are NOT oppressed. For example, anyone can leave at ANYTIME, including the so-called Palestinians. The Palestinians do not want to leave because no one else will take them in. Perhaps Australia would volunteer? I think not.

(3) You take the liberal point of view like many other naive and worthless people because you have nothing to lose if we do not destroy Sadam. I for one have a lot of money and a successful United States lends directly to my personal success. You on the other hand, simply exist like a leech. Whats worse is that your a leech sucking off a second-hand nation and that you have a big mouth. Please put a gun in your big mouth, pull the trigger and spare us all from any future naive, unpersuasive rhetoric.

EC

[Leebowitze]

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[Bradic]

It is pretty easy for to figure out why Saddam is a threat actually. He hates us..... Terrorists wanna hurt us..... Saddam lies about weapons of mass destruction and those terrorists stop using bowings and start using nukes and chemical weapons they somehow "acquire" from Iraq.

I for one don't want to wait around until someone kills more people in my country before we start wiping scum off the face of this earth.

[Malignancy]

I really love the music. It's so happy :)

http://users.rcn.com/sitz/obeythefist/losat.mpeg

EC

[Stoffer]

LOL Dar, great link.