What do you think?

[Astoron]

FIRST off let me say that I am in no way talking shit to those of you who like Shadowbane. But I'm going to tell you why I think this game lacks in the pvp area. Also plz reply on this post what you like about the game, What your dislikes are, how or what would you like to see.


OK Shadowbane was a fun game my first time to r6. Once I got to r6 there was like negative shit for me to do but start another chr. EQ was overall a better pvp game to me because it was more personal. I like game where I can make a name for myself alone, I guess what I mean is I liked being able to do things on my own. I didn't need 50 people to take down a city, I didnt have to kiss anyones ass to be part of some kind of nation and also even though i hate to say it, I liked the pk's v. good's and pk's v. pk's. Shadowbane to me doesn't seem like a pvp game. It's more like a NvN (nation v nation) game. Really I dont see anything for you to do in shadowbane(unless you are a city builder) but sit around and wait for a war. You can't really dent a city without so many people therefore you dont really make any type on empact in the shadowbane world unless you are in a nation.

Over all I likes the way the chr's looked in EQ. I could tell who someone was just by seeing their gear. I however dont think get should do much besides give your character a sense of style and make you look pimp. EQ was way better in this area. The shadowbane chr's TO ME are flat, they dont have any personality to them. Look theres a cow! wow what cow is that they all look the same!Im not going to bitch about lag and server issues cause thats not the game thats just BS that needs to be fixed.

People would see me in a zone in EQ and be like damn Astoron is in this zone we should go, hes a pk. In Shadowbane they are like oh look this nation is in the area(politics) well send their leader a tell blah blah blah = boring. They dont know you they know your nation.


So Arkons you say Warcraft worlds isnt supose to be a good pvp game but to me it will be. Just because I will be able to go to a zone and pick off people which will make a name for me as a person, not a nation. I prefer a play v player game to a player v nation game nay day of the week.

Peace killers and my Death be on your side no matter who ya kill.

[Fistanthalas]

I hear only 10% of the world will be PvP allowed zoned in WoW and that any PvP will have to be consensual.

[Arkons]

just to correct fist... its all out pvp in the pvp zones +\- 5 levels or something... then duels everywhere else
lame but i might play anyways just because its blizzard.

SB is a huge dissappointment

[Manie]

I'm not sure if it's true, but I hear they plan to make SB more smaller guild friendly in the future... As it is now your right, and whats even worse is most the time PvPing in SB is whoever strikes first wins and it's kinda boring... Hopefully in the future things will calm down and be more fun, I think people need to relax and just wait for the game to settle cause EQ had alot of problems to... I'm not saying I don't get pissed to, cause I have I get pissed at SB all the time but over all I think SB has the most potential out there, if they make use of it.

My guild doesn't plan on leaving SB for that reason, yes were angry at UBI, yes the game is practically un-playable atm BUT it's like a puzzle atm, it's got the right parts were hoping we'll be rewarded when it comes together.

[Syft]

OK theres alot of reasons why PVP sucks in Shadowbane I'll just run down the main ones.

Number 1: Everything is based upon a central Resist which is Defense, both melee atks and spell atks are simiply a matter of your atk rating being higher then their defense rating. The Resists in game function solely as an absorbtion factor, now this allows just about EVERY spell to land on you in game. When almost every class has a snare you get to see why NO ONE person can survive the onslaught of more then 3 players near to their lvl.

Number 2: Class Balance is a Fucking joke. Mages and Healers share the same damage output LMFAO. What idiot thought of that one I have no clue but why should one class be able to NUKE and HEAL and BLOCk and GET SKINS while the mage can only NUKE I have no clue. So basically if your not an Irekie Mage Blood Prophet(for heal) you totally suck and might as well reroll.

Number 3: Parry, Dodge and ESPEICALLY BLOCK are severely overpowered. BY SIMIPLY EQUIPING A SHIELD players with block gain a 30% chance to block all melee attacks WTF!!!!. That means with a 150% skill in block plus 30% block chance shield a healer/channeler can block 90-100% of all melee attacks and with Spell Skin and Melee Skin, absorb the damage delt by 90%. Couple this with 800 dmg nukes and you see a big fawken class balance problem. With a 1100 atk rating and 145 sword skill I've seen healer channelers block both my backstabs SITTING DOWN!!!

Number 4: The fact that no Armor Peice gives spell resists leaving melees meat to just 2 descent nukers. No one but the channeler and Fury(in defensive mode) can get more then 2 resists to a descent lvl(and that means the other resists SUCK). And even with high resist almost every character has a debuff. Not to mention that resist buffs here fawken suck and no one has enough points to spike them. EVEN if they do spike them they only last a few seconds and DON"T STACK WITH OTHER RESIST SPELLS.

I can go on and on about why solo pvp sucks here but those are enough to show why a large number of unskilled players will win the day. No matter how skilled a player is they will die to 3-4 tards who can't play fer shit, simiply because SB did not allow for small units of skilled players to own in pvp. Bascially Wolfpack was a group of Blubies who got owned in pvp so they designed a game where no DBer could own them further by making numbers and Dick sucking the ruling factor of the game.

And everybody knows DBer's give the worst head.

----Syft Shadowstalker---
Rank 5 Ranger
& Gan Stabber BM :p

[Manie]

Ya, just to put further pressure on what he said.. I have a Wizard, with almost 50-60 more Int, at level 50 agenst another level 50 Confessor, I nuke approx 100-150 LESS then he does. However it gets worse, in order to do that were both in Offensive stance, he can move in offensive cause he's a *healer* I cannot, Mage's in offensive are rooted meaning I'll be slaughter'd by any Tank, Rogue, anyone! With no heals, little defense, shitty HP, and our pet's that do about what a Scout does in dmg we are pretty worthless.

Now alittle defense to UBI, when Everquest first came out I dunno if you were around or even remember, Melee's first time they died got there swords/weapons looted making them almost useless... Not much in the way of resist gear, and people didn't know about what lil there was so most spells always did full dmg etc etc etc etc... EQ was the sameway, and yet your compairing what you did in that game... Give it time, I'm pissed at them to but this is nothing new basically from what I've learned is every gaming programer as someone put it "Likes to reinvent the wheel" meaning they don't learn from others mistakes they try making the best game with no refference to others common mistakes.
It happens

[Syft]

There's no way to expand upon their pvp system without going back to the drawing board. Giving Healer/channler a 1000 dmg nuke invis block heal etc etc is so fawking retarded WP can never gain my respect by vamping shit i die to healer/channlers everytime two nukes lay me out while they block my Backstab. Wp can suck my dick and i hope this game goes bankrupt.

[Manie]

Has nothing to do with going back to the drawing board, first people to get nerfed will be confessor's, Prelate's and others and seeing what Verant did with the nerf stick, Wolfpack prolly won't be much diff, Confessor's/prelates will probably be reduced to doin as much if not less dmg then Scout's.