Need to start mulling over our charter for WoW [Archive]

GrayRage

08-18-2003, 07:59 AM

Suggestions please.

Some basics so far:

- 1 Leader

- 1 Officer per 10 members (Officer selection? Leader appointed or voted in?)

- Positions?

1. Leader - Supreme Master All
2. Recruit level - Minion

Need more. I like Studlymaster of Doom and Dread Lord hehe. But we should be specific. Raid leaders, admins, pvp leaders ect. Need input here.

- Loot will be a DKP system of some sort.

- Discipline will be DKP penalties, to removal. Prolly need to be more specific here.

- PvP setting - Agressive. Specific not yet to be determined.

- Pve Requirments - To be set by leader and officers (level restriction and requirments).

- recruitment - prolly will make a private recruit board where each recruit get's a thread. How many sponsers? How long to recruit? What do they gotta do? Require kills? Slaves?

- rules (to be enforced via DKP penalties/removal)

Here are some rules i KNOW we will have:

1. DKP penalty for non leaders to be spamming guild channel during events (pvp or pve). Brenlain will be a prime candidate here ;p Basically, the appointed leader will use channels to lead us and everyone else should stfu. Wrong or right...we will live or die based on the leader's skills. This is just for events.

2. Making us look stupid - This involves being an idiot in public channels or whining after u get killed. If u give other folks screen cap fodder which makes us look bad u are fucked. This includes groveling (this will get u removed), begging (this will get u removed), being a moron (DKP penalty). The best bet is to keep quiet and kill the fucker unless u are good at shittalk (which many of u are NOT!). Here is a good test: Do you want what you are saying on our front page? If not, DO NOT SAY IT!

3. INsulting, degrading, disrespecting any DB MEMBER. (unless yer goofing on them). If u get pissed off at someone...work it out in tells or ont he boards (PRIVATE) or emails. We will not fall into the ToW version of a guild where everyone hates everyone else. If u don;t get along with someone...better figure it out and not be a dick about it!

4. Kills must be posted. Get used to capping yer kills and putting them up ont he site. It's A DB staple...it's what we do. Try to get a rise out of your victim and amke him look stupid so we can good on him...it's what we do :) If u don;t understnad this, u will learn it soon enough :)

5. Gonna have a "i hate this guy in the guild "vote once per month. If any member gets more then a pre specified number of votes (based on how many folks are in guild) they will be booted. This should encourage folks not to be dicks to your guildmates and should clear out folks that everyone dislikes if they manage to get in through the cracks.

We have several months before WoW retail so no rush, but i think we should start thinkin about it. I seriously want WoW to be the most successful game DB has been a part of and it will take ALOT of organization from the core guys.

Toaday

08-18-2003, 12:10 PM

-Recruitment: I personally liked the whole sponsor thing i had to do when i first came to DB. Forms ties and loyalty to a member of DB that can become more if they are guilded. I know it helped me knowing Darwoth and other officers when i first joined.
-Discipline: Don't want none of this ToW shit were there is inconsistency in the rules. We shouldn't take peopel cause they are uber 133t and just ignore the fact that they are a tard (ex: hi tigurious in all his forms).

Thats all i can think of at the moment.

Vallidus

08-18-2003, 12:54 PM

I agree with Toaday 100% on the recruitment thing, having a "rush" class helped build bonds with those people all going thru it at the same time as well as with the Db members that were their "sponsors" built strong foundations to say the least.

Xondio

08-18-2003, 08:40 PM

I think 3 sponsers would be about right.

Make a recruitment forum to where they can post afterwords and then DB crew can make a vote on the person, i guess if 2/3rds wants them in then we can take em?

on DKP and penalties.. first penalty should be warning, second should be DKP penalty (take dkp away and they not recieve it for the next raid), then remove them (depending on what they do)

and killing bearchest while he is LD should be a requirement... oh my bad i didn't mean to type that :p

and several months before retail wow? try a year... beta in several months though :cool:

GrayRage

08-19-2003, 04:07 AM

Yar. I think I will set up a recruits board where only members see it. An application link will go up and any apps will go on the recruits board. I am guessing 2 or 3 sponsers to get in AS a RECRUIT (minion), then a preset recruit period where they will have to do stuff to get full membership. Should be fun.

dkp penalty will be preset. Nothing abut not earning and crap...that's to complicated. Just a penatly if u do something stupid. It's pretty simple....fuck up...get penalized. The key is do not do stupid shit and u will be fine :)

Xondio,
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I don;t think anyone belives wow will not be out until august of 2004. Truly u are setting yourself up to look silly. Do u really think WoW will not be released until august of 2004? I mean seriouslly u are on crack. (IMHO) but whatever :) Luckily what u think does not make it fact :)

I don;t pretend to know when it will be released, but I am pretty confortable in estimating no later then MArch of 2004. I still think far sooner, but i have no facts to back such a thing up. I do know that blizzard needs to make money and holding WoW for a year is not gonna happen. That much i would bet on. Money = a great motivator.

Xondio

08-19-2003, 08:40 AM

I AM on crack ~ :(

jk, but anyway, my presumption off of it coming out in july-august of next year is the fact I have bought every Blizzard game available so far. They take forever to come out, because Blizzard goes to extra lengths to make sure their products are as bug free as possible. Especially since they are new to the MMO world they are going to double up on those precautions now that Star Wars Galaxies bombed. Another thing, it hasn't even entered beta... any game that enters beta takes at least 3-4 months if not half a year for Blizzard. But I guess we'll see... i'm a pesimist and looking for the worst so hopefully it'll come out sooner that way I'll be surprised heh :p

GrayRage

08-19-2003, 09:21 AM

Well, it HAS been in production for over 3 years already and it is being played daily by family members and such of Blizzard (meaning it's been in playable form already for quite some time). It's also their primary focus right now wherby all of their considerble tools are workin on it (and costing them alot of money).

Fact is, they will make ALOT...and i mean ALOT of money when that is released. So how long will they be able to diddle doddle around with those millions just sititng there....and expneses goin up? No 12 months of beta to be sure ;p

If this thing is in beta for more then 3 months I will be really surprised. Anyhow, it'a all conjecture. Something else to consider, they have already built the game's engine (actually a while ago), the longer they keep this in development, the further it falls behind other games which develope faster. Do they really want their graphics to be outdated before it is even released (cough....Shadowbane....cough)?

My guess is the game for beta will be pretty polished (cause they already said there will not be a NDA so they don;t folks talkin bad about it). And the beta will prolly come out by october.

Also, whats this big news he is talkin about? Prolly not beta (that will be annouced on their website). New classes? New race? Or are they setting a release date? ;p We will see!

Xondio

08-19-2003, 11:13 AM

We'll see.... we'll see :D we still have a dollar bet on it

there are many factors of releasing a game other than it being done, such as last minute bug checks, making sure all the manuals are printed... ect enough supplies to make all the boxes... predicting how many people will buy it the first day it comes out. i still predict a july release date. i think beta will last 3-4 months. unless they really are wanting to keep it in competition with EQ2. (which they just might do which is what im hoping) They know they might lose some customers to EQ2 if they wait too long. (IE, people don't want to switch games after getting a character up in a game... its like me playing 150 hours of BG2 and then stopping and transferring over to ToB, they know no one would switch over after establishing a character.)

Mindgames

08-20-2003, 05:09 PM

Well im kinda excited about WoW and you can expect to have my full participation on this one.. As for a release date ima put money on Feb04 cuz i know things:P also being a MMORPG the game wont need to be pushed back over and over because if bugs are detected it can be patched on a 100% massive scale. I like the rules that you posted gray i think they are premo. No one should have any problems with anyone in DB if they start drama and other BS bub-bye. No whining cry babies, no lewt whores and no afkers. If people arent beating the shit out of mobs on raids and are sitting in the corner with their thumb up their asses they dont need to be a part. If they dont take part in PvP when some of us are in need of help bub-bye. It would be so much nicer to be in a guild with everyone giving 100% effort for once and i am sure DB will be top notch in WoW. At the release of WoW i will be giving up my officer status in ToW to give 100% effort to DB whether im an officer or not i will be there and thats a promise. I will always be able to help out and do eps admin and things like that if you need and you know i will help situate PvP and things of that matter.

I apologize for my lack of presence in PS but its hard to be 2 places at once. I have to finish what i started here in EQ and that should be a few more months. I have two dedications... one is to DB and one is to my friends that are still trapped in EQ but they know when WoW comes out im gone. signed ~MGD'bane

P.S. Grouping for xp - the way they are setting it up is 5 people per group but they encourage multi group xp kinda like the /raid in eq. As we all know in EQ /raid is not the way to go for xp but WoW is taking this a whole step farther. The more groups in a raid the more fun your gonna have and the more XP your gonna get. So if a group is full you wont be shit out of luck 7 chars are gonna have as much fun as 4 etc. and you wont be left out like an odd ball. This is one thing that i really like about wow.

Exodus

08-21-2003, 12:23 AM

and no afkers

ohhhh shit.. :D :D

Eyepatch

08-21-2003, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Exodus
ohhhh shit.. :D :D

ya that means you fuxnard

GrayRage

08-21-2003, 03:09 AM

hehe Exo ;p

MG,

Don't sweat yer playtime in PS bro. PS is really just around to keep the folks who are not playing anthing else busy ;p PS is NOT a permant type game by any means. It's fun to tool around with to be sure, but it's no EQ or WoW I am certain ;p I don't mind scarfin my mula to PS for now, but when WoW beta comes out....it's no secret what I am gonna be doin :)

One thing about PS tho, it teaches us to be immune to death. I mean...when u get smoked in EQ....it PISSES me off! hehe. But after the mind numbing deaths in PS....dying once or twice a day in WoW will prolly be a picnic ;p

One thing is for DAMN sure.....DB will be together in WoW like ants on a resus peanut butter cup. I really look forward to seeing DB groups hanging out in game leveling and killin folks again :)

I just hope Lisa school work (she is a junior now) does not interfere with her playing time ;p

Eyepatch

08-21-2003, 03:22 AM

Lisa is a newb

Mindgames

08-21-2003, 03:28 AM

I may reactivate my account i miss it already.. I started phasing myself out of EQ today by stepping down from an officer to a reg member. There is way too many cheaters in EQ now and everyone ghosts by modem plugging around the zone and then boom out of no where they cast on your out of the clear blue sky and you still cant target or cast back on them, all you see is
their avatar running around in circles somewhere, It seriously makes me sick to my stomach and i really hope wow doesnt have these problems. By the way i may be moving to Florida heehee. I fly out to Chicago to interview for that position in the orlando, tampa gainsville area.. wish me luxxors.. then i can bug lisa irl!!!

GrayRage

08-21-2003, 06:09 AM

hehe, it won;t be hard to improve on PvP over EQ pvp ;p

Lesa

08-21-2003, 09:33 PM

Number 1: I am going to be Leader!
Number 2: All you boys will be my slaves!
Number 3: If you do not follow my orders , then you will get your penis cut off!

:p

Xondio

08-21-2003, 11:01 PM

I'm up for 1,2... not number 3... i want to keep my penis pls k thnx

Astoron

08-22-2003, 02:19 PM

Did you guys go look at the 3 new pics? The graphics are far for out dated. I think the 3 to 4 sponsers to get into the guild is a great Idea. After all it worked in EQ for what? over 3 or 4 years? Officers need to be picked by the leader. I dont want some gimp fucker being an officer just cause his buddy is an officer. That will just make me guild kill lol. I also can't take any order from someone I dont respect, thats why's Gray gotta lead:) Officers from the old Darkenbane were the people who killed the most people and never cried or bitched in OOC, also they had to play alot. So I think the leader and the Whole guild maybe should pick officers( this is just my opinion though). The rest of those rules look great Gray. I can't wait man really! PS is boring to me now so I wont be playing it much. Bring on the Beta jeesh. 1 last thing. Astoron = Warlock muahahahahahahahaha ha ha

And remember! East Powers loves rice!

Darkart

08-22-2003, 03:33 PM

Recruitement applications are stupid in my opinion. your teaming up to to play together in a game, not applying for a job. who gives a crap what games they played before etc, I laugh whenever I see a form like that on a guild site. Written charters are gay too, common sense should be enough, if your guild is large enough to need a constitution then your not a guild, your a zerg.

Guilds that dominate are always totalitarian regimes. One strong leader, all informal votes. In all my gaming experience I cannot think of a time that my guild leader kicked somone that I did not hate.

And honestly I think the Dragon Kill Points thing is stupid as well. so much work, just roll for the item if multiple people need stuff, if your not logged on tough, if you weren't there killing shit tough.

PVP should be it's own reward IMO, if the guild is out PKing and people are xping/farming, kick them, people that need "uber item points" to get them to kill rival guilds might as well join an o0 guild, I'm sure as hell not playing with them.

Astoron

08-22-2003, 05:15 PM

Im not saying that pking should have some type of reward. Pk is fun and the reward is the kill and maybe an item, Plus an oh so lovely pic of a corpse. Its just the best pks and hold their own and make good officers most of the time. You dont want a shitty pking officered , He;ll just get his ass kicked all the time. That makes the guild look bad. As for items I think the classes that need should just roll. Guild members should not get to roll unless they are there or if theres a person there of class and doesnt want the item. Then the other members not there should roll. Why put the time camping an item if people who arent there can win it. Thats stupid. I'll not be doing that.

GrayRage

08-22-2003, 06:55 PM

Recruitement applications are stupid in my opinion

U think it's stupid to ask an applicant what his level, gear and game experience is? Boy....we will do real well with a guild filled with newbs ;p Fact is, we will have a level restriction and some stamdards i hope. An application will be posted so everyone in the guild has the ability to see who their future guildmate might be and will have a voice in it. If they don;t like him/her...they will say so. Fact is, if u don;t do this, u will have people joinign that other poeple hate....and a mess.

Written charters are gay too, common sense should be enough, if your guild is large enough to need a constitution then your not a guild, your a zerg.

Guild formation in EQ and in UO required a written charter. I suspect WoW will not be so different. And if you are relying on "common sense" to run a guild, then u, my friend, would make a poor leader. Without guidelines and rules to go by, the guild is nothing more then anarchy and becomes a great big unfun bicker fest. Rules make things clear so there is no bitching and arguing.

And honestly I think the Dragon Kill Points thing is stupid as well. so much work, just roll for the item if multiple people need stuff, if your not logged on tough, if you weren't there killing shit tough.

Not gonna bother replying anymore ;p But good luck in your "dream" guild :) Just glad it won't be DB :p

Darkart

08-22-2003, 07:15 PM

I think Shadow Consortium accomplished my "dream" guild pretty well in ShadowBane.

Alot of that had to do with Lorglath's leading though, as long as the leader isn't a dusche it works damn well.

In SB we were 20 or so strong, so if DB is going to swell to 50+, allowing people to "rush" based only on their gear level class, then I guess the rules have a place, but if your going to keep it by personal invite only, I think they are pretty stupid. A player is free to join if a member wants them in, but the leaders can kick that person for whatever reason. It happened alot with Saradin/Morphite/Lorglath, and there was virtually no bitching even when someones real life friend got kicked, because none of the leaders powertripped.

So to me the applications are still gay, if you haven't seen them in game why temp-tag them based on thier level and items? If the person is interested enough to visit a website and fill out an apllication, why couldn't they just /tell you the info in game?

I'm not sure what your target guild size is, from what your making it sound like is you want to be a force through numbers though. I've seen alot of guilds go from "neat and organized" right back to totalitarian rule, the fact is, most people will be too lazy to vote or keep track of DKP, and the most economical ways will win out.

Rabdallas

08-22-2003, 08:07 PM

I agree with Darkart. (And not because he gave me LA WL. =P)

gr,

Astoron

08-22-2003, 10:27 PM

It's because SB is a differnt type of fucking game idiot. In EQ you just cant invite anyone as a pk guild. Way to many spys for the anti pks. SB you have to have people, really you take anyone you get. Its a nation vs. nation game. In a game like WoW or EQ you are a tight pk squad. Getting anything done needs to be tight and closed mouthed. You can go ahead and Invite anyone you want into shadow Consortium but we dont do that in Darkenbane. You have to be trusted, know and go through a trail peroid. If one person gets in that shouldn't be there, It's trouble for everyone. esp people off soloing in secert spots. You cant have people giving away your location. So yes! I think people should have to apply with an E-mail. As for asking level and gear, Everyone hates baby sitting newbies. I'll not do it. I think level requirement is a great idea. It's always been that way tho hasn't it Gray? Maybe these people have neven been in the Darkenbane Guild.

Darkart

08-23-2003, 12:05 AM

I'm not saying the hell with levels etc, in fact I'm saying the opposite.

I've always thought having an application/trial period, looks gay, powerhouse guilds don't do it, when I see x y z gets you petitioner status, the last thing that comes ot mind is, tight nit pk squad.

As for asking level and gear, Everyone hates baby sitting newbies. I'll not do it. I think level requirement is a great idea. It's always been that way tho hasn't it Gray? Maybe these people have neven been in the Darkenbane Guild.

A tight nit PK squad is formed by inviting the people you have Pked with into your guild. So i have no idea how your logic is working, the whole application->peitioner->Pk try out = Babysitting newbs. The more name recognition the actual PK squad gets, the more people flock to join and you end up being swamped with candidates, you get tired of it, and you end up going back to personal invite only. What I am suggesting at step 1.

Open guild recruiting (the application/tryout system), isn't the way to go, the time spent fiddling with it detracts from hardcore PK. Why would you petitioner someone that you haven't seen in game? If they arn't willing to give you race class level items in the game, but are via email, what the hell? Sounds like that system makes spying even easier. "Gee I've never heard of you before L33tuber dood, but your level 36, so lets temp tag you, cmon lets go pk, cmon lets go raid." Unless you keep petitioners totally in the dark your opening yourself up to easier spying. If you haven't noticed the person in game why recruite them?

And EQ proves even pretty n00bish people with alot of time on thier hands can attain any level/gear requirement, especially if all the need is lvl 40 to get into a guild.

"SB you have to have people, really you take anyone you get. Its a nation vs. nation game. In a game like WoW or EQ you are a tight pk squad. Getting anything done needs to be tight and closed mouthed. You can go ahead and Invite anyone you want into shadow Consortium but we dont do that in Darkenbane. "

I totally miss how the tryout process you are suggesting is more selective than how it's done in Shadowbane, where if your unknown randomplayer001, you definately don't have a shot, and are KOS no questions asked. Spying was a much bigger problem in SB than EQ.

Astoron

08-23-2003, 06:42 AM

Can you not read Darkart? Read earlier articles fool. You would need atleast 3 or 4 sponsers to even go to a trial. A trail just just means after you are sponsered you have a few weeks to not piss everyone off and get kicked out of the guild. It's a chance for the leader and officers to keep an ear open from other members about your value to the guild and if you follow guild rules. It's not to Invite someone no one knows into the guild and give them a chance. No one even said anything about Inviting someone you dont know. That fact is you have to make people come to the forms just to keep up with guild news. Having them post on this site kinda gets them use to checking the forms. Level Restriction is a great idea Gray. I'm 100% for that.

Danubi

08-23-2003, 07:31 AM

this thread is getting ugly '.\

Darkart

08-23-2003, 09:56 AM

Yes I can read, but if you need 3 or 4 sponsers, why have an application on the website? Obviously those 3 or 4 people know you in game, and would hopefully know the candidates class/level/gear.

Danubi

08-23-2003, 10:00 AM

because then every will know the person that applyed? and will be able to see who the person is.

Darkart

08-23-2003, 11:20 AM

Then have them post a hello message on the public boards. Alot less work than viewing a webform database.

Mindgames

08-23-2003, 04:36 PM

These rules that gray posted are there because of what you mentioned hasnt ever worked in the past. And the leadership in SB is completely different just because the game is PvP oriented and gear is distributed differently, the game is flooded with items that have no real value. Thats like Diablo imo.. Games like EQ and WoW are more char dev oriented ( which tends to keep peoples interest ) and yes all the powerhouse guilds have these systems in place. Take a look.. you dont get much more powerhouse than this Fires of Heaven (http://fohguild.org/) .SoW (http://www.scienceofwar.net/)

My only agreement would be to keep DB exclusive and not invite members unless they make a valiant effort to be a part of us and we decide they would be a good asset to the guild. DKP would have to be in place .. its the only fair system out there. Many members would be very pissed if we lost a roll to a newb that just got into DB on day 1 and they would probaby quit the guild.. we dont need that shit either. Some of the mobs in this game take 200+ people to kill which may force us to alliance with other guilds to make this happen

Eyepatch

08-23-2003, 07:48 PM

Originally posted by Mindgames

keep DB exclusive and not invite members unless they make a valiant effort to be a part of us and we decide they would be a good asset to the guild.

amen.

Mindgames

08-23-2003, 10:16 PM

pretty good tidbit of info..

Guild Features:

Players get to choose an emblem and color combination unique to their guild, that is embroidered on special guild tabards that players can display proudly over their characters' armor.
The guild will get a guild hall. (not confirmed) This is a meeting place for the guild to hold meetings, a safe position to chat and hang out, and a storage facility for the guild's treasures. Additional features of the guild halls have not yet been released.
Extensive guild management options to keep your guild in line. These will include tools for managing your guild's membership, and will include a clan "website" like the player profiles in Warcraft 3 on Blizzard's website displaying all types of guild statistics.
Possibly different types of guilds. Brann's journal mentions that he is part of the Explorer's Guild.
Private Chat

Astoron

08-23-2003, 10:45 PM

check this out :confused:

http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/screenshots.asp?id=5359

Eyepatch

08-24-2003, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by Astoron
check this out :confused:

http://www.gamespydaily.com/news/screenshots.asp?id=5359

it's the same fuckin UO shit except in actual good 3D art, not that joke of an expansion they put out to allow 3D in Ultima Online.

it's real good 3D shit, but jesus christ they're using the same exact sound effects for things like monsters. same damn monsters in the whole fuckin game, just they are 3D, not 2D. Origin was pwned by EA and EA pwned anything related to Ultima by fucking it up once it bought the rights to OSI.

BlackStar

08-25-2003, 04:46 PM

I had fleas once, it sucked :(

I do agree with MG tho. DB should be a fairly exclusive guild and only allow ppl if they've made a valiant effort to want to join us. Also if we do decide to let them into the guild, we should let em be in for a week...let ppl get to know the person then all DB members take a vote as to if they want the member in, and majority rules. This way we can "try em before we buy em."

Dynamic

08-25-2003, 09:20 PM

Well I just want people that have a sense of humor and don't whine and get pissed off over stupid shit. A person could be the best PvPer in WoW, but if he (or she) is a prick I want nothing to do with him.

Mindgames

08-25-2003, 09:44 PM

Also if we do decide to let them into the guild, we should let em be in for a week...let ppl get to know the person then all DB members take a vote as to if they want the member in, and majority rules. This way we can "try em before we buy em."

Well this will be done by making a valiant effort to join us. Peeps can chill hang out and pvp/raid with us on a trial basis if they seem cool and want to join us we can all vote on the application thread.. then we go through the rest of the deal. Hopefully Blizz will set up a new guild feature where they are tagged as DB in recruit status and as a recruit it will hopefully show under their tag. these are just some ideas of course

GrayRage

08-26-2003, 06:28 AM

I will clear this up and make it simple for everyone:

1. DB in WoW will have DKP. Not negotiable. If u don;t want DKP, then don't play with us.

2. Our goal is to have 40+ guys on at prime time. Fact is, this is the target number for killing the "uber" mobs in WoW and getting us the top of the line gear (making us viable PvP).

Having 20 guys in SB is all well and good, but in SB you don't have to kill uber stuff to get comparably equipped with your foes. If we say "og we are gonna be a tight nit little group of PKs)...fine....but you might want to get used to getting mowed over by people with better gear.

Fact: WoW will be driven by levels and gear. Fact: Better gear = equal terms versus our foes.

I learned alot from Rallos and Sullon. I learned that we did ALOT better on Sullon because we had much better gear. We had the SAME gear as our enemies....and it was alot more fun. It sucked ass fighting folks on Rallos that were always better equipped then us. Not gonna happen in WoW. In WoW, expect our goals to be to get geared and leveled so we are better able to kill our victims.

As for recruiting...it's just a simple matter of of ORDER. It's alot easier to simply say to a potential recruit "hey man, if u wanna sign up, go to our webnpage and fill the application form, u will get instructions from there" His application is then pasted to a recruits board where everyone can decide and discuss his fate. If some recruit thinks he is to far above us to go through the "trouble" of applying" then he likely will be a suck ass member anyhow and fuck him. I'd rather him be a victim.

I admit, tho, that this might make us take longer of reaching my goal of having 40 on at prime time, but so be it. At least when we get tot hat goal...those 40 will be hard core and more likley to appreciate their guild...and their mates. Instead of some easy invite guild which takes in all comers.

In any case, I know everyone appreciates discussing all of this here, but one thing for sure has been decided: THERE WILL BE DKP (and there will e a Charter ;p). We are hitting WoW as an ORGANIZED guild and I hope it will be our most successful endeavor to date.

GrayRage

08-26-2003, 06:42 AM

Recruits/recruiting is prolly one of the most important things we can do. Face it, new blood is the key to our success. Many of our old school guys will not make it past the intial phases of the game for a variety of reasons:

1. They don't like it
2. They diddle doddled in some other game and fell behind in levels
3. They did not start when we started and are way behind in gear and levels
4. They have RL issues which talke them away form gaming

We WILL need new blood. The key, however, is to make sure they are compatable with old blood. This is done via an organized system of recruiting/screening. We have to balance the difficulty of getting into DB with the desire to get in though (supply and demand). If we become the be all end all guild that everyone wants to join...we can up the anty.

Toaday

08-26-2003, 10:37 AM

this a non-negotiable post, I WIN

Xondio

08-26-2003, 12:36 PM

pwned.

but yeah I agree gray... I think recruiting is the ONLY key to success.. however, they have to be tested first to show they have the DB blood in 'em. What good is someone who is super uber who acts like a fucking retard on crack. We have to find the balance between very high quality players with the Adell/Stynkfyst/Xblade nerds who do nothing but play video games all day long (have you guys seen adell and stynkfysts pictures? I cried I was laughing so hard when I first saw them)

Xondio

08-26-2003, 12:45 PM

and since im too lazy to go back and hit the edit button as opposed to the reply button, i'll make this reply about the Fires of heaven and SoW guilds.

The reason why they recruit so many is to get the few (officers, leader) all gear and leave the recruits and other members with nothing at all.

They don't care about how many they recruit as long as the leader and his officers get all the loot. Which not only does it give an amazing amount of unstability to the guild structure, but tarnishes the name.

Afterlife is a guild that started out with a strong base of friends (like DB) and built off of a sound structure for guild orginization. They eventually were able to pick and choose who they wanted... they also screened who they wanted even when they were small. This is how it has to be. Now with every guild that gets larger and larger there will always be problems... the point is to get them fixed before they start splitting a guild in 2 (ala OM/Temerity/ Covenent of the Wolf ect ect...).

Mindgames

08-26-2003, 01:36 PM

well i have to disagree there xondio they all use dkp so its not about gearing, dkp makes it possible for anyone in the guild to choose any gear they want. EQ made it so you need that large amount of people to raid thereby forcing guilds to recruit. Back in the day small guilds did fine and didnt need outside help but for some reason they wanted to make it so you need 50-60 people on a raid or it just wont happen. sorry but you arent dropping Rathe will 30 peeps just wont happen.
As a matter of fact i dont know if you were ever in a guild like that but you have to actually go back and gear up the people you recruit and backflag them... so its more or less a pain in the ass then anything else.

GrayRage

08-26-2003, 01:37 PM

Well, it's still a ways off and most of this is conjecture. I hope we are organized enough and have enough core guys to get started and rolling hard from day one. It will be fun...and being at the top of the food chain will be even funner :)

As it get's closer I am gonna have to send out emails to alot of the old school guys that don;t come around (Inorcist, Traeumer (the guy who played Trae on SZ) and that swiss crew for sure. Damn good players and will be a good core for daytime play as well :)

Ah well, we have time.

Xondio

08-26-2003, 05:41 PM

Mindgames, check out Furor's posts; his posts alone show that he is a complete and utter fucking moron. So are most of his guildmates. And Furor (said by one of the recruits) himself doesn't go by DKP that often, he more than often takes items other people in the guild (who are members) could use. Furor's DKP system is for everyone except him and his closest friends.

He recently said he stopped playing EQ and wouldn't again... where is he now? in EQ again.

Recruiting people is a necissary part of a guild success, however when you recruit people like Furor it's no longer a game, but a baby sitting project to make sure he doesn't fuck up the guilds name. I'd say screening people is important before recruiting them, but that's just me.

Vallidus

08-26-2003, 07:40 PM

The week long sponsorship program was a good way to weed out the bad eggs tho. Week is enough time for people to get comfortable and act like they normally would(bitch, whine moan etc) but a short enough period that it won't drive the regulars crazy.

Plus it was a ton o fun to get together with the recruitment class and a few of the members an go on mass killing sprees, which happened a lot during "rush" week :)

My proposal for recruitment:

1) Must fill out an app, or post an app on the message boards (perhaps a board just for this). If they dont get too many no's at this point then they can go on to part 3, if not, buh bye.

2) If someone is a friend to one or more members of Db they get an auto drop into part 3

3) "Rush" Week- Each member of the recruitment class gets assigned a Guild Member as a sort of big brother, someone they can go to with questions, problems etc etc, preferably someone who plays a lot.

4)Final Vote, all guildmembers will vote on each prospective member, then based on what we go for for a maximum of "No" votes they either get in or do not :P

and maybe as a fun little thing, all the people who do not get in can have a battle royal and the last one standing gets another chance :D

Vallidus

08-28-2003, 05:59 PM

so I take it you all were blown away by my ideas, thus theres no new ones? :D

no, no, I dont wanna lead Db ;)

Ekimus

08-28-2003, 06:06 PM

eh, everytime you post I just spend the time I should be reading the post looking at the 3d crossbones then closeing IE~

Vallidus

08-28-2003, 10:34 PM

*sob*

Astoron

08-28-2003, 11:36 PM

I wish there was a Drunken Panda Race like in Warcraft 3. I would be that race for sure. It's cool the panda has fire breath and carries a beer cup lol.

Ianas

09-11-2003, 01:48 AM

"2. They diddle doddled in some other game and fell behind in levels"

What is this Diddle Doddling you speak of?

-Ianas

GrayRage

09-11-2003, 07:12 AM

Well, when we went to Sullon Zek...many DBers came 6 months or later over...but where so far behind they never caught up and played with us. So instead of playing with US...i think think they were playing with themselves, thus Diddle Doddling ;p

Sieges

09-11-2003, 05:26 PM

Eh well. I agree with the Big Brother idea. The so called "big brother" will watch over the recruit and keep him in line and if he acts like a dumbass, drop him. After a week of watching over someone they should then be tagged as a recruit and watched over by everyone. And DKP > /random 100 k thx. I guarante we would loose members because a new member gets lucky and gets a 100 over an oldtime member.

To most of the PS players that I didn't play EQ with. PS wasn't really my kinda game so I might of seemed a bit flakey at times by not playing. quitting, starting again, then quitting again =p. When I first started EQ I played that like all day long for like 2 years so MMORPGS are more of my type of games. So plan on seeing me a lot in WoW.

Anyhow back to subject. Looking forward to playing with all the old DB and New in WoW and EQ2 if I don't lie about my computer specs to get into WoW beta hehe. Maybe there will be some sort of channel for recruits. So we don't have to tag them for a temporarily time. That way they won't have like full access to what our members say and we can stop spys more efficiently IMO.

-Adam

Xondio

09-12-2003, 12:14 AM

Sieges, most of us did that with PS :D

It's not one we were going to stick with anyway, it was just a temp game for most of us who could get together to do exactly that.

I stopped playing because of college and only play ToB and DoD every once in a while.

I look forward to playing with you in WoW though sieg, it's been about 3-4 years since I played EQ on RZ alongside you :)

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Mindgames

09-12-2003, 08:11 AM

god remember meddin and all you saw was that ass book!
/cringe

Fistanthalas

09-12-2003, 08:42 AM

Well, I will no doubt be participating in WoW w/ all you pickles :-P
Looking forward to playing (actually pking) with alot of you cats again. I hope this game really unites ALL of DB again like Gray expects it to. I'd like to see alot of the RZ guys that never came to SZ come back and all of our old RZ enemies who did come to SZ with us as well (ex: Once, Darwoth, Hama, Laroux etc). It will be nothing but good times :-) Also, if everyone is going to give WoW a try, I think we already have a nice core of DBers ready to go and I can probably still run 40 DBers names off the top of my head so I don;t think your "target" guild size is going to be a problem, esp if guys like Daero, Traemur, Innuendo, Sid, Astoron, Darxus, Azzazz, Stope, Deowulf, Culebra, Fizzletwit, Ever (eep), 8"badassmutha"01 etc all come back. Also, Im almost positive the whole Jersey crew will be back for this game too, Me, Rykker, Iccullus, Samoken, Syft, Lyfeless, Nooge, Seeds, Blackbilly, Jackpiece, Treglen etc etc.

As for recruiting, I don't really give a half a fuck. You know if I ever had a problem with a whining cunt that was guilded to the DB tag, I just smoked them anyway (Pesigne/Uaelaeliu). :-)
Why don't you just let me and/or Rykker duel potential new recruits like we used to do in the old days? :-P Can't say it was an effective method of recruiting, but me and Ryk had tons of fun :-)

All I know is count me in for DB WoW! Big playing time increase from the old EQ days for me too, no more school and no more whining girlfriend (86ed her)!!! Sooooooooooooooo, I guess I'll see you guys there!

Jay~