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Toaday
11-26-2003, 01:08 AM
i posted what happened to me on diablo today on general games, yes i play that old game to pass my time till WoW(though im really disappointed with blizzard itself atm). Nutshell=Blizzards PW recovery system was exploited to steal/delete almost all characters on their new ladder for LoD. Now what upsets me is this guys post, where he has clear evidence that this had happened before and gave fair warning to tech support. How does this affect me and Blizzard? And possibly us as a guild in WoW? Shitty shitty patch, shitty shitty tech support, lack of communication(they have not posted anything as to whats to be done),lack of initiative to keep their games safe. I am really really really POed with blizzard right now. I hope they get theyre act together by WoW, because there will be much more to lose for players if they screw up.

November 17th, at 6 o’clock in the AM, I emailed Blizzard with news of the exploit in their password recovery system. With absolutely no knowledge of how or why the hack worked I was able to deduce and determine with absolute precision where the flaw in their system lay.

They had fully one week to do something about it, to prevent the carnage that occurred last night from happening. I submit the following series of correspondences to show how much Blizzard really cares.

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From: Callac@USEast
To: Online Support
Sent: 11/17/2003 6:02:45 AM
Subject: Diablo 2 Account Exploit

To whom it may concern,

I fear that there is now a new exploit, possibly involving the new automated password recovery system in 1.10. The reason for this is because when I tried logging on my account this morning, the password had been changed.

I used the automated recovery system to regain access to my account, and when I logged on my character, my Arkaine's Valor, Stormshield, upgraded Arreat's Face, and Annihilus charm were all gone.

The pattern of item removal is indicative of hackers moving through accounts quickly, looking for only quickly and easily identifiable uniques.

Let me state now that I do not expect my items back and am not emailing to request that you change the state of my character. I am merely concerned that this may happen again and again if the exploit is not discovered and fixed. If you cannot protect the integrity of battle.net for even your most dedicated players then I fear you may lose your fan base and credibility entirely.

My character was undoubtedly targeted because he is very high on the USEast ladder. He is level 95 and 7th on the overall ladder. He is the highest character on the ladder that is not a member of the infamous VET clan, and as a result is very visible and popular. Whenever I am on I get countless personal messages asking for advice, giving encouragement, and other comments.

Another motivation for believing the reason I got hacked lies in a flaw in your system and not one in mine is because my computer is completely secure. My system is always fully updated, has the most current antivirus client, is running a firewall, and could not possibly be running malicious software. I run a web based virus scan every night in addition to running the virus scan client on my computer. My computer has never once been compromised. Furthermore, my password is utterly unguessable, and I am the only person in the world that knows it.

Thank you for your time, and I would appreciate any further information you can give me concerning this problem.

Sincerely,

[Name Withheld]
*Callac
Callac
USEast

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From: [email]michaelp.support@blizzard.com
To: Callac@USEast
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: Diablo 2 Account Exploit


Hello [Name Withheld]

The changing your password part really hasn't changed. Those people who find a way to get passwords are doing the same thing as before 1.10.

The only difference is in how easy it is for you to recover it (because of the email registration). I will forward your report to the appropriate people. While I cannot guarantee a response, I can assure you it will be read and addressed.

If you have any further questions or problems, please feel free to contact us at [email]support@blizzard.com.

Regards,
Michael P.
Online Support
Blizzard Entertainment

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From: Callac@USEast
To: [email]michaelp.support@blizzard.com
Sent: 11/21/2003 9:30:23 PM
Subject: Re: Diablo 2 Account Exploit

Dear Michael P.,

Thank you for your prompt reply, though I am forced to disagree with your assessment of the situation. Those people who find a way to get passwords are not doing the same thing as before 1.10, at least not where top of the ladder contenders are concerned.

I purport that there is a method by which the automated password reset system can be compromised or have its communications otherwise intercepted to make a reset password available to a hacker. I say this not because I am particularly knowledgeable on the subject, but because that is the only method I can imagine that could result in my account being hacked.

I am not the only top ladder character on USEast to be hacked. Within recent days both *tj-reborntwo (TJ-Lsorc, #11 on the ladder) and *legolas-dude (VET-Yuna, #2 on the ladder) have been hacked. I find it highly improbable that so many top ladder characters could be so careless with their computers and accounts to all get hacked within such a short time span, especially since I am one of them, and I am careful beyond belief.

Talking with the people behind TJ-Lsorc and VET-Yuna and how you handled their cases, it is apparent that Blizzard doesn't care about Diablo 2 or its players any more. The gross incompetence shown here and the company's complete unwillingness to rectify its own screwup is unconscionable. But all I can do is rant and stress my belief that you should give even more to the community to which you have given so much.

Sincerely,

[Name Withheld]
*Callac
Callac
USEast

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From: Callac@USEast
To: [email]michaelp.support@blizzard.com
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Diablo 2 Account Exploit


Dear Michael P.,

You have not yet responded to my last email (which I have included below), and already I am compelled to send another!

At 7:21 tonight, not 20 minutes ago, my account was hacked into again. My computer is utterly secure. My password was something other than it was before the first time I was hacked, and was just as unguessable.

Luckily I was in a channel when it happened, so whenever the hacker logged onto Callac, I was kicked from the channels and thus knew that something was amiss. I immediately relogged back on to Callac and sat him in a game, then got on to my second computer, which is equally as secure as my main one, and checked the password to my account, *Callac. It had been changed. I then immediately used the automated password reset system to have my password reset ... again.

I think now would be a good time for you to realize the painful truth. There clearly is an exploit in your password reset system, or some other problem with your authentication servers that makes it possible to compromise the security of any account!

My question is what in the Hell is Blizzard doing about it?

Sincerely pissed off,

[Name Withheld]
*Callac
Callac
USEast

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From: michaelp.support@blizzard.com
To: [Email Withheld] Callac@USEast
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Diablo 2 Account Exploit


Hello again [Name Withheld]

The only way it could be intercepted is if they intercept your email (which is how we sent your passwords before also). You first have to log in with your password to change it. Which means a hacker must have your password to start. If you want to change your password to something else you can. A hacker would most likely change your password so they can do whatever it is they wanted with the account. When you try to log in you would get an invalid password.

Password retrieval is safer now than before. Once you click forgot password and go through the steps you will get a random password sent to your email (just as we did manually before). If the hacker tried to change email addresses it must first get a confirmation from your original email address (again they would have to have access to your
email account to do this). So the new process is faster (as you don’t have to wait for us to get to your email) and even more secure than in the past.

Being on the ladder does tend put a bullseye on you for hackers. Any time you are on the Internet you are at risk of running into a hacker who may want to hack your system; however, a hacker cannot use the Battle.net connection to accomplish this. Your IP address must be discovered, then a separate connection to your system would need to be established, and then whatever system security your OS is offering must be breached.

Check http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=msi0504p for more information about Hacks, Warnings and Security Information.

If you are running any version of Windows, then I recommend checking out this link - ("http://www.microsoft.com/security") in order to find out the details about your system security.

Also, there are links to a few firewall programs and Trojan virus
detection at this link - ("http://www.blizzard.com/support/?id=msi0462p").

Regards,
Michael P.
Online Support
Blizzard Entertainment

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Time and time again Blizzard refuses to read the writing on the wall, even when they are given ample warning of an impending disaster. How much longer do we have to take it?

Thanks for reading,

Callac, USEast

Karsus
11-26-2003, 04:02 AM
Diablo II is a game of Blizzard North,while Blizzard Team 2 is the one developing WoW,but maybe the tech support is the same for all their games,i dont know.

GrayRage
11-26-2003, 05:54 AM
Yar Diablo was Bill Roper's thing and with him gone, who knows what's up there. Tho I dunno where B Net support is located.

Fact is, Customer Support is all numbers based. Folks will notice the better customer support for lower customer based games. If WoW has 500k subscribers, u can bet their customer support will suck cause they would need THOUSANDS of employees to handle that many people properly...and they will not hire that many people.

Basically, what we have leartned is to fend for ourselves. The game actually conmtinues OUT of the real game too :p

Toaday
11-28-2003, 12:05 AM
I hope by now most of you had a chance to read the thread in which I offered my personal correspondence with Blizzard as proof that they had knowledge of the exploit which rocked battle.net two nights ago, and were given ample warning a full week before the carnage took place. Plenty of time, in my opinion, to fix such a trivial exploit.

The thread had been alive for a scant 12 hours, and was 6,000 views strong when I was silenced by Blizzard.

A lumbering behemoth too scared of its own incompetence to listen to the cries of the customers who fill their coffers and all but sign their paychecks each month, Blizzard and its employees have decided to cut off the head of the rising revolution at its source.

I invite you all to continue your discussion in this new thread, for as long as it lasts.

Callac

Lol, Blizzard fucked up pretty good and now they deleted this guys post that i copied to here.

Meter
11-28-2003, 02:11 AM
Toaday, what bothers me is that they did not jack every account in the top of the ladder... Why didn't they, they did not feel like it, or could they simply not do it? Because?

GrayRage
11-28-2003, 04:42 AM
I really do not envy either side on this.

Blizzard's point of view:

The get a million emails from people claiming to be hacked. Some are just scammers trying to get free gear (mebe they should have a logging system like EQ so they can see all transfers of gear), some are just morons who have securoty problems (this guy my have a breach in his email...it's possible we have gotten into alot of emails...it is often a very weak point), people give out there PWs or perhaps they really WERE hacked. I am sure it's REALLY hard for them to take every person seriously that emils them with hack stories. Even President Bush had alot of info about 9/11 before it happened, but with all the threats of attack back then...could we blame them for not catching on to that one? It's basically "the cry wolf" syndrome.

Customer's point of view:

Pretty clear from his email.

What can we hope for in WoW?

1. Official account transfer service. By Sony not supporting account transfers, they basically protect thieves. In fact, the ONLY thing this does IS protect thieves. If they offered an offcial transfer service of accounts between customers (for a feee even), alot less thievery would be goin' on in EQ.

2. Logging of all activity on the servers. ALL items are tracked from when they are spwned. They have an ID number which is unique for every single item ever dropped in game. So if an account get's stolen or compromised anything stolen off of it can be recovered and anyone involved in the theft can be caught.

If they have something like this in place, account theft problems will be negligable. They might even consider their own out of game auction server, but i doubt they would do this.

Toaday
11-28-2003, 02:40 PM
A vulnerability relating to abusing the account recovery system has been fixed. Affected characters will be restored where possible, as quickly as we can. Everyone caught abusing this system will have their accounts closed and cd-keys banned from Battle.net. We apologize for the trouble this has caused.
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The Battle.net Team

this was the bliz's ONLY response , and it was the day i lost my account. TO answer meter, they did steal/delete peoples accounts from the top of the ladder...i dont know why they didnt do everyone on the ladder...maybe they were going to but blizzard turned off the PW system in time or it was only a few MORONS who were doing this and they got tired. Also if your looking now at the ladder rankings, most of the people hacked have already fallen pretty low or off completely, those are all new people. Before this happened the highest were lvl 96 and lower, after the hack, it was lvl 85-86, now its back up to 90 the last time i checked. I for one wasnt on the top of the ladder, the best things on my account were the only 2 unique charms that can drop (basically think of them as jboots, its rare until people figure out ways to get them, which they havent). so im guessing they used to a third party program that targeted specific items and then looked up the account name, then used the PW system to change the pw. Anyways its day 4 of this debavle, day 3 since i lost my account, and still nothing from bliz except they delete any post on the forum about the hack event and people wanting a solution. Yet they leave theyre own sticky.....
In regards to daves post, some of the people on the forums are obviously trying to bandwagon and get free stuff. Im sure IF blizzard does plan to follow through with their post (replace affected accounts,read above), they will know whos lying and ban their accounts.

Oh, and the worst part was that this wasnt a high tech bug that was used to rob people. The way it worked was that if you ever lost your pw, the email you gave them when you created your account, could be used to have a new one sent to you. Sadly, the morons who did this figured out that you could create the same account name on ANOTHER realm, request a pw change and BOOM, for some reason it changed the pw on the same account name on any other realm.

GrayRage
11-28-2003, 03:28 PM
lol, well at least it's easy to fix. Live and learn. I am amazed the diablo 2 community is so into gear and shit....people sell diablo gear on PLAYERAUCTIONS! Sheeet! ;p