Why in the hell

[Heavens_Myst]

Do you fanboi's play Warcraft ?

Find a strategic RTS[trategy] that incorporates ECONOMY as well.

I could keep going on and on with lists, but jesus christ folks, you're basically playing Everquest on a blue server. Talk about gimp.

Time to move away from the crowds of endless newbies [Blue servers] and self-proclaimed mouse-clicking-champions, joining up with the truly skilled and gifted strategists, economists, and micro/macro'ers [Red servers].

If you're just a casual RTS gamer then stick with WC3 by all means, but if you have something to prove and you think you have some ounce of skill in RTS, then move on.

Hell, I'd recommend regular Age of Empires even though its 7 years old. It beats WC3 out of the water.

But I guess some of you have a soft spot for 8 citizen economies, one upgrade line, and 8-unit battles.

[GrayRage]

We are a MMP guild. Anyone playin RTS is just goofin around. MG agrees with u on the age of empires thing tho. He told me a million times to play it instead. However, most of us are not playing even a game of War3 as we are heavily into EQ-Discord (hardcore server where death brings u to level 1 with no gear) and Planetside.

War3 was mostly what some of us did out of pure boredom.

[oNCe]

have you even played war3? it doesnt sound like it.

the game requires more micro than ive seen in any other game..

if you have tried it/still have it installed i would be interested in a game "o god of RTS" ;)

[Heavens_Myst]

Sure I played WC3.

First two months of the game you could find me on the top 50 1v1 ladders on Azeroth as n1ggaplease.

Only players who really beat me were Pills (dunno if he still plays), alu, and random orc abusers (and later undead forest walking abusers).

Of course I was still playing regular, yes regular, Age of Empires at the time (which I've played since day one), so playing WC3 wasn't a priority.

About the micro--yes I pointed out that fact in my description as "self-proclaimed mouse-clicking-champions"

Of course that point is still debateable, but the fact that an REAL TIME STRATEGY game simply forces you to control a max of 10 military units at once, creep on maps that NEVER CHANGE, and use static build orders that require no thought, strategy, or adaptation should not be categorized as such.

I could go on and on, having played RTS for so long, but there isn't much point. It just shocked me that so many of you are into WC3.

I prefered Rainbox 6, Rogue Spear, Ravenshield all over Counterstrike/Halflife, or whatever the fanboi FPS is now also. Maybe it's just in me to play a skillful game. Ok ok, no need to scream "BUT TEHH HEAD SHOTZ R SK33LZ!~!" :) Don't want your panties in a bunch!

Ciao loves

[Stoffer]

Who the hell are you, and why are you such a fag?

[Arkons]

AOE sucks. war3 isnt the best RTS ever (Starcraft was) but its fun, and it introduces some new interesting concepts that are alien to other RTS. AOE is way past its prime, it was a decent RTS game for a while, but please. You want to talk about a game that is completely static. The units have no unique abilities, there is no variation between races. blizzard games offer much more depth because of their diversity. AOE offers nothing of the sort.

second, why the fuck are you here anyways?

third I never heard of anyone on ladder named heaven_myst (and I played war3 starting in beta) or anything close to that. I bet you probably never even got to that point on ladder. And Pills is just a stupid kid from Hawaii anyways, gw beating him, there were always much better players.

4th you aren't italian, you don't speak italian, so dont say ciao, dumbshit. Va fan culo

[Darwoth]

wtf is "micro"?

btw i always liked the military type RTS games the best, the close combat and sudden strike series were always fun, though age of empires probably remains one of the best around.

never played wc3, it sounds retarded with only getting a handful of units and building up your units with items and shit.

[Moonsabie]

Bah Age of emp blows !!! hard =) StarCrafted is where its at !!! o yea..... and for FPS's wich i like anything else besides America's Army and DOD just sucks.!
O yea RS and R6 are just old you got a upgrade man!!! AA is FREE and pawns all

[Heavens_Myst]

AOE sucks. war3 isnt the best RTS ever (Starcraft was) but its fun, and it introduces some new interesting concepts that are alien to other RTS. AOE is way past its prime, it was a decent RTS game for a while, but please. You want to talk about a game that is completely static. The units have no unique abilities, there is no variation between races. blizzard games offer much more depth because of their diversity. AOE offers nothing of the sort.

Ill take on this entire quote all at once since its just a clusterfuck. First, AOE is outdated - I never said it wasn't. I referred to Age of MYTHOLOGY , Rise of Nations, and Dawn of the Modern Empire as being better games.

Excuse me, but did you just say WC3 "introduces concepts that are alien to other RTS" ?

Err? Excuse me, #1 Blizzard fanboi, but have you ever played an RTS besides WC/SC ? Lets list whats so "different" about WC3

-You have to creep to "level" Heroes, which are the most important military units in the game. Each map is STATIC, never-changing, so memorization is KEY. Ahh, great way to ADAPT in an RTS, twit.

-Your entire economy is based on 5 to 8 workers, unless *gasp* you expand to a second, yes second, base.

-Upgrades are nearly unimportant [Not talking about tiers, since most "strategies" err in this case build orders require you to advance to another tier to get a specificed and overpowered unit]. Why upgrade when you can buy items/potions for your hero, which is your entire army. Without one... or three, you might as well just turtle up in your base! There is no harrassing because without a hero your units will die, there is no creeping because without a hero you gain nothing from it (besides minimal gold), etc.

-Gold and Wood, two resources, enough said.

Christ, I have to control myself - I could keep going and going.

Bottom line is blizzard RTS games are bottom-of-the-barrel, which makes them so enjoyable for casual gamers (READ: YOU). You don't have any clue what skill is so whats the difference in making a true RTS and just a watered-down, candy-land looking RTS, you wouldn't have the slightest clue.

second, why the fuck are you here anyways?

Can't prove a point so we just add this to act like a badass? You're just one of a hundred thousand blizzard lemmings who have no idea what kind of game they're even playing. Move along.

third I never heard of anyone on ladder named heaven_myst (and I played war3 starting in beta) or anything close to that.

If you could read I told you my name was n1ggaplease, which I sold for $125-200 to some sap who wanted a name to make high level friends with.

This was Aug 2002, before you even picked up WC3. Lets not kid ourselves and pretend you had beta for WC3, just admit it was beta for TFT and we can move on to our next point. It would be disheartening to hear you had WC3 beta and are still a newb :(

I bet you probably never even got to that point on ladder. And Pills is just a stupid kid from Hawaii anyways, gw beating him, there were always much better players.

What are you talking about? Pills was #1 for straight 2 months or so on Azeroth. He sold two accounts (1k a piece or somewhere along the lines) and was the best orc abuser out there. Don't try to preach about something you know absolutely nothing about.

4th you aren't italian, you don't speak italian, so dont say ciao, dumbshit. Va fan culo

The response to this would probably make you cry, so I'll hold back as you have never had the pleasure of seeing me rip on a 100%, Grade A moron as yourself before. Just remember that you have no RTS experience, so again, don't preach about what you don't know.

Ciao

[Darwoth]

i have not seen such rabid bitching about whos game is "better" since DAOC came out and all the people in EQ that had spent the last 3 years farming lewtz felt that their world and time investment was threatened, some of the threads sounded like they actually wants to KILL the people leaving to go to other games lol.

[Saradin]

War3 is more micro dependant than any other RTS where every click actually counts as opposed to random spamming of macro on other RTS. I also like the concept of having a hero or general lead your army. Age of Empires II looked pretty cool but anything else just pales in comparison to Blizzard RTS. Don't believe me? Just look at how many $$ tournaments are held for their RTS games as opposed to others.

Anyways, war3 does get redudant and repetitive and that is why it eventually comes down to micro, which I am fine with. Whoever can micro better will usually win since there is such a small % of strategies that work. It's not a true RTS imo but it is harder than SC or any other RTS on the market right now. It's also horribly imbalanced right now and I no longer play it.

[Moonsabie]

i like SC b/c there so many ways of attacking.. is so cool..! my favoret is the tank drop shipt with Int saport i like that.. =) tanks protected you from drops wile you prepar.. SC is my babie.. =) and you get to build coold Defence i build evething realy tight so them sergeys can't do nuff hehe =) awww gone are the days though... but i was one mean Rush er Expecaly protoss i could get 7 gate way pumping out troops none stope it was grand.!!! but i generly prefered tec =) any way America's Army pawns all ass why is it geting ignored =( some one play with me OMG ITS FREE


O yea AGE of Emp blows hard so boring !!!! =) i like my Tarren! o yea Starcrafed 2 shall come !!!! i have seen it my dreams

Momy heaven is scareing my catz.! O yea there has never been a ture Realistic FPS wich make me sadd :eek:

are you Pro Gamer do you get payed..!??? might want move over to japan they have nice Pro gaming sceen

[Stoffer]

Grats, you're a fag.

[Arkons]

lmao you fucking newbie get a life seriously.
I don't need to list my numerous rts credits here, but they are certainly more than anything you did.

#2 I have been on every blizzard beta since starcraft because I know some of the developers (a guy formerly known on the sc circuit as Zileas)

Age of Mythology is fucking retarded, that's why no one plays it. I got bored halfway through the first game... wow good game.

"-Upgrades are nearly unimportant [Not talking about tiers, since most "strategies" err in this case build orders require you to advance to another tier to get a specificed and overpowered unit]. Why upgrade when you can buy items/potions for your hero, which is your entire army. Without one... or three, you might as well just turtle up in your base! There is no harrassing because without a hero your units will die, there is no creeping because without a hero you gain nothing from it (besides minimal gold), etc."

This proves you were never any good at war3, because any war3 player knows, upgrades are extremely important in the game. In fact, i want to see someone win a game in war3, without using more than 3 upgrades, i dont think its possible.

"This was Aug 2002, before you even picked up WC3. Lets not kid ourselves and pretend you had beta for WC3, just admit it was beta for TFT and we can move on to our next point. It would be disheartening to hear you had WC3 beta and are still a newb "

I started playing War3 in late Jan early Feb of 2002. Yes I was really in the beta. The best stratagy in early beta was chieftan and headhunts, because shockwave dmg was tripled against units that were moving, and you could basically win the game in 2 min (because back then they didnt have altars), and bring your tauren and a well placed shockwave would destroy all their peons, or peasents if they were hu\orc. Soon after everyone figured out how to cast FON with KOTG twice without having to wait for the refresh. But if you did it 3 times you crashed.

Dont kid yourself, you never were anywhere near the top of the ladder, and you never sold your account. You don't know anything about RTS, while I've been playing them for almost 10 years now. You can talk whatever shit you want, but it doesnt make it true, only makes you look like a dumbass. GG. And you still dont know italian buttana

[Heavens_Myst]

Hmm, knowing someone in the company isn't much of an "Rts credit".

Did a search on google for "Arkons","ArkonsTheGreat" and found nothing. Please, show me your RTS prowess.

In the past year I've made... atleast $5000 from idle playing of AOM/RON/Empies.

Hell, I should have gone to Korea for WCG2003 (World Cyber Games), but instead of playing AOM from March-August, I decided to play a bit of RON and nothing else. Thus, I placed 3rd, after only ~10 practice games in 5 months.

Last thing I won... Xbox+bunch of xBox shit+$700 motherboard/process... Shrug, nothing special. It all comes with being awesome at RTS.

Go ahead, give me one "rts credit" other than having a friend sneak you in the beta!

Christ, you've had WC3 for almost two years and you haven't done anything? Waste of a beta account.

Also, I did indeed sell my account. It was level 16 when Pills was level 19. Only a few hundred bucks... good way to pay for a game after I play it, but really nothing special.

Oh, and please do search for my "rts credits".

Just like you I've played RTS for over 6-7 years now, but I have something to show for my playtime ;)

Ciao, lovebird

[Heavens_Myst]

Oh, and as to your little quote, "only makes you look like a dumbass", I think it would only be appropriate to dismiss any thought that someone would have of you being a hypocrit, since you have so many unnamed "rts credits", lol ;)

To MMORPG players and twice-a-month, casual gamers you may be able to pass over this load of bullshit, but to someone whose main gaming experience has been RTS for the good part of 6 years, it smells from a mile away.

Continue on, blizzard fanboi

[Arkons]

lol ask anyone who played starcraft seriously, who Arkons is, and Im sure you'll find out. I wasnt the best player, but I have far more recognition than you have ever, or will ever have.

[Stoffer]

Grats Myst. You are a huge nerd.

[Saradin]

Myself nor Pills have ever heard of you by that name. If you can't then I will dismiss this post as a troll entirely while I continue to laugh at the AoE reference as a great RTS.

[Heavens_Myst]

I told you, it was n1ggaplease. Twice I said this. I'm sure I could find the sap who I sold it too from my old computer through my old e-mails. All I know is he started playing RT a few games and otherwise did not use the account at all.

I could careless if you want to "dismiss it as a troll".

I have nothing to gain from claiming to have played another RTS when you can search my google name and find me participating in AOE tournaments from way back in '98 with Praetor_ clan.

To Arkons:

You said you had all of these RTS Creditentials... "recognition" from a game 5-6 years ago is not of the above stated. It is simply you fitting into a group of players in a single game. It means squat.. you have some friends online.. that has nothing to do with having "numerous RTS credits".

I could name dozens of godly AOE players who would gladly give recognition to me as being an expert (not even elite, just expert). You see though, these players have long since passed from the gaming scene, or still remain playing AOE.

You have played, what? Two RTS's? The point was made that WC3 is not about strategy, it is about build orders, which every "expert" has mastered if they are in that class, so it really just comes down to micro'ing. Micro'ing is included in every RTS, whether you like to admit it or not. However, all other RTS games include a thing called an economy.. or other foreign words such as strategy, and an ability to adapt to a map, not just the persons civ, race, or nation.

Also, Saradin, didn't you pick the game up during a boring stint of playing on SZ? You played with Marqus and crew, correct? Was this even at the launch of WC3? I lasted two months, on and off. I'm sure you could find how many games I played, but that amount is dwarfed in comparison to the amount of scenarios I played in WC3. This is the only feature that kept me actually logging onto b.net. WC3 was just too tedious and similiar every game. I'm sure it has its qualities, but by no means does it match up to being a great RTS. It is just a game that is blindly followed by mass casual players. Skilled players exploit this because there is obviously going to be a larger sum of money invested if the casual players can be decent without even the afterthought of an economy or actually strategy. Build orders go a long way, which is unfortunate.

To your comment about AOE not being a great RTS? Shrug, you attempt to play a game that has a no-queing feature, no waypoint feature, no notification of age advancement/upgrade/unit production completion, maps that are never [see 1 in tens of thousands] the same or even remotely even per person/team.

This game was truly about your favorite WC3 word: micro. The funny part is, this game also included economies that had to be crafted in upwards of 120 villagers at points.

Each unit was one pop. The balance was terrible, but there were many variations you could do depending on your civ. Of course the main unit of choice was a Chariot Archer and civ of Assyrian. Now you're asking, one pop each unit? Well population limit was 200. With armies of 40 chariot archers you still found every single, god damn time, the players would "dance" (micro) each unit individually. There was no ability to "shift click" to focus fire. It had to be done manually. All the while you're still managing an economy, perhaps both land and sea attacks, and coordinating with teammates which you got no visibility through unless you got an upgrade. We didn't start out with the ability to see all of our teammates, but perhaps at 15-16 minutes if you straight boomed, you could upgrade to see your allies line of sight.

Most games were also team games, 3v3 generally. Players weren't regarded through 1v1 play, but moreso team play. So each map you had to adjust your playstyle to coincide with your team, and since each map can DRASTICALLY be different, the room for error is very minimal.

Oh, did I mention you get to scout the entire game with villagers? Yep, take your normal line of sight from any building in wc3 (Or any RTS of these times) and reduce it by 10. They had a block line of sight of 2 or 3 I believe, around. So while you were trying to FIND the resources that would enable you to even advance to tool age (which could be in the middle of "Huge" map, for christs sake), you had to worry about lions, but moreso groups of lions that would kill your vil. -Being down one villager in an expert 3v3 means you're already at HUGE disadvantage (believe it or not). You also had the times where you needed to lure (ahh, foreign words! In AOE you had to work to setup your economy. Everything wasn't just fucking laid out in your 100 line of sight bases for you to choose at will) an elephant or "herd" gazelle from SCREENS away. That included attacking the elephant, running far enough way to attack it again, but not too far that it would run back to its original position, or too close that it would be able to attack, while keeping a constant flow of villagers (oops, you don't have the que'ing ability), and having to place them at the correct resource/dropoff point (oops, you don't have a waypoint system ). Perhaps I should break into a rofl at your idiotic comments about AOE when the nearest you've even gotten to it was in the CompUSA aisle as you browsed the collection of The Sims, 6 years after it's initial release.

Whether you read any of this or not, it's sad that you all feel the need to proclaim this unfounded allegiance to a game that has nothing more than a bit of unit control involved. Nothing is revolutionary in WC3, it is a simple game. This is why it attracts so many players, but it is also a blizzard game so this attracts more casual gamers. Reasons why other RTS's dont have large fanbases is because they involve all of the things from above, and most casual gamers would rather spend 10 minutes on a WC3 game where it is mindless clicking and static build orders on maps you have encountered dozens of times, then get frustrated with a game you will never be good at unless you use your brain and have the ability to focus your screen on just your army.

Stofferr:

Don't know what the deal is, but I'm not trying to protrude on your grounds here. Not sure if you are a self-proclaimed blizzard-fanboi-prodigy, as Arkons, but atleast voice something other then the unoriginal [i]you are a huge nerd and the likes. I don't need to look down upon you, yet. Unfortunately it is a neccessity at RTS boards where mindless idiots post idiotic flames, just as yourself, instead of posting something minorly constructive.

Ciao

[Darwoth]

i will seriously fucking own anyone on this thread in a game of close combat or sudden strike.

[Moonsabie]

but relay RTS are simply develping proper timeing... and bulding statagies.. you build a farm house at so and so a time after you have so many peons you upgarde at such and such a time.. its all realy pland out already... when you get your statiges practiced and worked out then you have building statages if things change in game... *shurg realy its all maped out befor hand.. and probly been practices over and over agin.. its cool that you have a fast clicker... but sides that it had been all pre pland.. it can get very maticulous.. its pritty boring.. i have more fun playen Collage football.. that is REAL fun o god.. what a rush of life.! *ver adictive no game can ever recreate that.

[Stoffer]

Don't know what the deal is, but I'm not trying to protrude on your grounds here. Not sure if you are a self-proclaimed blizzard-fanboi-prodigy, as Arkons, but atleast voice something other then the unoriginal you are a huge nerd and the likes. I don't need to look down upon you, yet. Unfortunately it is a neccessity at RTS boards where mindless idiots post idiotic flames, just as yourself, instead of posting something minorly constructive

Oh no, I don't really care about this debate at all. I just don't know who the fuck you are, and what drugs give you the right to come over here and act like you do. I don't care which game you think "is teh b3st and most zkillfull", I just think you're acting like a faggot.

[Arkons]

jesus christ man! i never thought I could hear so much about how a person talks through their writing. FUCK i mean I can actually hear that doofus' lisp when I read that thing. His lips are smacking together like two chiken thighs with fucking SPIT FLYING FROM HIS MOUTH. All i can think of is that Timmy character from south park, talking really fast, with just a mouth full of grease or something. Holy fuck im disgusted. Your the type of people guns were invented for Myst. I'm mean seriously, I know civilization has made natural selection some what of a useless balance of our species... BUT MAN THIS IS TAKING IT TOO FAR!! Not even Ghandi or Mother Tereesa would have stood for this shit, they would of slit the bastard's throat already!

[Heavens_Myst]

First, I didn't come here to post about any of my own skills or qualifications, but it turned into a post where you folks needed to see them before you would even accept the information. I did post this thread in regards to the amount of WC3 threads and praise on the forum, which is just unacceptable ;) However, to each his own.

To Arkons last response:

Damn dude, that was probably the most random and copied attempt to flame someone, ever. Not even the youngest lamers back from the zone would say some of the stupid shit you did. All I can do is shake my head, and not because I picture your life or how beat red you were after reading my last post out of embarrassment, but towards the fact that you wouldn't even respond to the points I made because you have no point to make. Don't claim to be some RTS Prodigy when you're just some gimp who played starcraft... there are probably 10,000 players who fit into the same category. It's nothing to warrant "Rts credit", haha.

Next time you do try to flame me, atleast make it funny. I don't mind admitting when something is funny, but your emphasis on "FUCK", "SPIT FLYING FROM HIS MOUTH", and "BUT MAN THIS IS TAKING IT TOO FAR!!" did not aid in making your post the least funny. How have you played RTS for 10 years... doesn't seem like you're the least bit older then me, and I'm 18. So, err, were you 8 when you started, master gamer?

Ciao

[Stoffer]

Grats, you're the king of Age of Empires or whatever, now go act retarded on a board where people think higher of you. Because lets face it, because you went from stoneage to l33t future in less than 3 hours because of you're ph4t construction skills, does'nt convince me you're a skillfull gamer, it just showes you have poor taste when it comes to games.

Im not saying WC3 is any better, im saying MMORPGS > you're little running around building sandcastles.

[Xondio]

You know you're a nerd when your telling people your game is better.

So what if people want to play WC3 Myst? who gives a fuck if people want to play Starcraft, here is a clue; NO ONE HERE GIVES A FUCK WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE GAME THEY PLAY

Now, Myst, I curse you with getting a real life.

[oNCe]

could u say fanboi again it makes me giggle irl :o

[Heavens_Myst]

Fanboi

Ciao

[Azriel]

who cares enough with all this nerd spam!

[Heavens_Myst]

Its funny when people use words the same words that they've heard all their real lives and try to use them on the internet as if they weren't said words.

After browsing the RL Pic thread from this forum already, I have to doubt these people when they call other people/ideas nerds and what not. Ugly people all over :( It's just too easy...

[Moonsabie]

i bench 330 incline bench 335 squate 585 powerclean 290 so there =P:rolleyes:

[Heavens_Myst]

Yeah.. I incline more than I can bench too..

[Xondio]

Myst, no one fucking cares, now get off these fucking boards tard.

[Azriel]

I think a Babylon 5 rerun is gonna start in a few mins, Myst you better quit posting here and go watch it or your gonna miss out.

[Heavens_Myst]

err?

What is Babylon 5? Space, fantasy series?

Ok...

[Stoffer]

think a Babylon 5 rerun is gonna start in a few mins, Myst you better quit posting here and go watch it or your gonna miss out.

LOL

[Arkons]

someone slit the little fuckers throat
the scurvy bastard obviously slipped through natural selection's fingers... give him the fucking axe i say. Cleanse the gene pool brothers, THIS ONE DOES NOT BELONG.

[Marqus]

AoE was a great game.

War3 was also a great game.

This break from the dick waving contest has been brought to you by Marqus.

[Swishahouse]

Wow, incompitant morons are just dripping out of the wood work now aren't they?

"Heaven's Myst" (what in the fuck, im not even gonna ask) .

Why exactly did you come here to rant? Someone needs a hobby and/or a fuck.

[Swishahouse]

So if you do need a fuck kiddo, just aim for the little circle on your screen with your peon.





(_)



Have fun.

[Exodus]

Wow, incompitant morons are just dripping out of the wood work now aren't they?

yep.

[Wikybus]

K shut up your gay. But I will agree Rise of Nations is a very fun game, but AoM simply was terrible. WC3 never decided to go spend money on it, I've played it never really got into it.

[Heavens_Myst]

you play on gamespy? For RON that is-

And yes, AOE was indeed a great game.

Ciao