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GrayRage

02-17-2004, 07:41 AM

I would be disgusted like Darwoth if I believe homosexuality is a learned behavior. I think, however, people are born gay and cannot help it. Basically, I think a chick's sexuality is in a guy's brain...and vica versa thus making a person homosexual. As such, I don't think a kid being brought up by a fag will make the kid gay.

I am basing this on my own experiences. I am not gay and in a million years could not enjoy the anus or genitals of another male. In fact, it kinda makes me sick :(. It is so repulsive to me, in fact, that I know for a fact it would not matter how I was brought up (by gays or not). I would never like Male ASS or BALLS ect...

Bottomline, these folks cannot help they are gay. They are not hurting anyone else by being gay and I do not believe they are converting more gays so we might as well let them be gay and live happy lives.

I DO believe they should be held to the same standards as the rest of us, however. None of this boy buggering crap. Unfortuntely alot of gays get the bad press from their pedo brethren who like to take advanatge of young boys who cannot or don't know better then to say no. Those pedo's should be ....well punished harshly IMHO.

Re: the pic. My guess is those homo's have tons of cash (alot of fags do), JOBS (OH MY!), the ability to support their kids and will likely be far better parents then 90% of the rest of our fucked up population.

Maule

02-17-2004, 08:25 AM

Darwoth, I would think, with all the practice you got in prison that you would be used to it by now. Second, dont you have your on guild/forums? Or, dont they want you either?

Marqus

02-17-2004, 08:27 AM

I don't get homophobic people... and Dar.. I never thought you would be one. You sure drop your libertarian gov get out of my face crap fast when you want to oppress some gays.

Gays getting married doesn't hurt me. It doesn't help me. Therefor I could give a shit about what they do. If it makes them more happy, more power to them.

AD Nnuk

02-17-2004, 08:53 AM

I would be disgusted like Darwoth if I believe homosexuality is a learned behavior.

Well if those kids are boys I gotta say that the pink socks and frilly dress don't exactly exude masculinity. :p

Seriously though... I don't care wtf consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home but there comes a point where political correctness has to give way to common sense -- And this would be that point.

I'm against gay marriage for economical reasons. For example... Most tax breaks and other benefits are afforded to married couples with the mindset that they're eventually going to make babies (thus assuring future taxpayers to keep the country's coffers full). Two peeps of the same gender obviously cannot do this. But hey... If they wanna have a ceremony and call themselves "spouse" it matters not to me -- So long as they do not qualify for "married couple" benefits. Unfortunately they do (at least in Canada) so, on that basis, I'm wholeheartedly against the concept.

Adoption... Well... I'm against that even more than I am against marriage. Not because I believe that little boys will be spending their childhoods used as a fuckdoll nor due to a belief that having gay "parents" leads to homosexuality.

But, while certain things are "hard coded" into the human machine (sexual orientation, for example) other things are not. Speech patterns... Manual expressions... These are two (among many) of the behaviors we learn from our parents from birth.

If you don't automatically understand how this could make for rather unpleasant teen years for a boy then I submit that you've not spent much time in the public school system.

Oh... Before someone presents me with the "it's better than unstable foster homes" argument -- You're right. But that would cause us to get into the reason why there's so many kids in need of adoption and that is a thread unto itself.

Nnuk

PS Most of the above is general commentary in regards to male children with male adoptive parents. Girls are another kettle of fish -- A girl that likes football because her momS watch it every weekend isn't going to get her ass kicked because of it... A boy that likes dressmaking because his dadS enjoy sewing as a hobby had damn well better keep his mouth shut or he'll end up with his ass cheeks stitched together.

And yes... I realize how flimsy the analogy (HAHA! Nnuk said analogy! HAHAHA!!!) above is but hey -- It's not even 9 AM so gimme a friggin' break. ;-)

Marqus

02-17-2004, 09:01 AM

So infertle couples need to be declared illigitimate becase they cannot produce babys? Take away thier rights! DOWN WITH THE INFERTLE COUPLES!

Edit: Also.. you are saying that because they grow up w/2 dads that they will wear pink dresses and be gay? wha??

GrayRage

02-17-2004, 09:20 AM

Well if those kids are boys I gotta say that the pink socks and frilly dress don't exactly exude masculinity. :p
At least they are clothed.

Seriously though... I don't care wtf consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home but there comes a point where political correctness has to give way to common sense -- And this would be that point.
Like licensing parenthood? Where is common sense that you have to be licensed to drive, carry a gun or cut hair, but you can spew out 10 babies with job, no education, no car and no food...let alone a license. Please, let's not play the common sense card hear...as allowing 80% of the population to be parents does not fall under this catagory.

I'm against gay marriage for economical reasons. For example... Most tax breaks and other benefits are afforded to married couples with the mindset that they're eventually going to make babies (thus assuring future taxpayers to keep the country's coffers full). Two peeps of the same gender obviously cannot do this. But hey... If they wanna have a ceremony and call themselves "spouse" it matters not to me -- So long as they do not qualify for "married couple" benefits. Unfortunately they do (at least in Canada) so, on that basis, I'm wholeheartedly against the concept.
The tax system is corrupt by nature. Simply institute a national sales tax and it's fixed. This won't happen because powerful people and companies will have to pay taxes then.

Adoption... Well... I'm against that even more than I am against marriage. Not because I believe that little boys will be spending their childhoods used as a fuckdoll nor due to a belief that having gay "parents" leads to homosexuality.
I know a boy buggerer (well knew one, he is dead now) that adopted 3 boys. I am very sure he buggered them all. I know this because he tried to bugger me when i was young. I truly feel sorry for those kids. This, however, happens with homos and/or straight folks. Facts is, the government needs to follow up on such thins and interview the kids. If the parents are buggering them, they should be put to death.

But, while certain things are "hard coded" into the human machine (sexual orientation, for example) other things are not. Speech patterns... Manual expressions... These are two (among many) of the behaviors we learn from our parents from birth.
Do you know how hard (if not impossible) is is to get a job talking with a ghetto accent? I would never in a million years hire some idiot speaking ghetto. Does it stop ghetto speaking people from spawning? I bet a fag sounding person has a better chance at getting a good job then a ghetto sounding person.

If you don't automatically understand how this could make for rather unpleasant teen years for a boy then I submit that you've not spent much time in the public school system.
Well, unless they talk ghetto in school, they will prolly get beaten up anyhow.

Meter

02-17-2004, 09:21 AM

I dont care if gay couples get married or not, letting them adopt children is a different matter though imho.
If a child has a choice between a mixed couple and a homosexual couple then that child should go to the mixed couple. I am not saying that all homosexual couples are bad parents and that all mixed couples are not. We live in a world with woman and man and the best situation (on average) for a child to grow up in would be with a father and a mother. Its the same reason why single/really old /mentally challenged people etc. should not be allowed to adopt children.

Marqus

02-17-2004, 09:34 AM

I agree with Gray! Blacks shouldn't be able to adopt. If they do thier kids will have a ghetto accent and will be made fun of in school. ONLY PERFECT WASP couples can adopt! HURRAY FOR FACISM!

Marqus

02-17-2004, 09:43 AM

http://www.primitiveshadows.com/marriage.jpg

AD Nnuk

02-17-2004, 10:03 AM

I've always liked ya, Marqus (in a manly way... Don't get any ideas! ;-)) and it's on that basis that I'm going to respond to your attempts at painting me with the homophobe brush with a simple question:

If one were to look over all of your posts... How many of them have the words "fag", "homo", "gay" and derivitives thereof used as a means to insult another person, thing or ideal?

Now go over anything I've ever written. Anywhere. At anytime. Regarding any subject. Ever.

Thank you kindly.

Now take a deep breath, relax and come up with something which is not a half-assed (not to mention futile) attempt at demonization and I'll be more than happy to address you in kind.

=====

Gray... We've already been over the whole tax thing elsewhere (here (http://forums.darkenbane.com/showthread.php?t=3195)) so there's really little point in repeating it.

Regarding the whole ghetto speaking job hunter thing... 100% agreed. If someone can't get rid of their 2 foot purple mohawk and the 29 piercings covering their face before applying for a position (other than "Executive Crack Ho") then fuck 'em & feed 'em beans.

However I wasn't talking about getting a job, was I? Nopers! I was talking about the childhood/teen years of an individual and how certain factors can affect them.

In that spirit... My point stands.

Nnuk

Stoffer

02-17-2004, 10:09 AM

I still don't understand why it is we have to care who other people have relationships with. And I don't see why two men can't do just as good a job bringing up kids as a man and a woman.

People today tent to concentrate much more on how other people bring up their children, instead of focusing on how they do themselves.

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 10:49 AM

im not a homophobe as im not afraid of fags, i simply find them repugnant in every way much the way you would find a retard that eats his own shit disgusting rather than fearsome, and i think faggots should be allowed to indulge in their mental illness as much as they want, just in their own homes.

however beign forced to "recognize" them as "normal" because of a few vote pandering bleeding hearts in crapifornia where this garbage originated is ridiculous, a married couple gets certain benefits because as nnuk said they are expected to fuck and produce more of the population, kids cost money and as such certain tax breaks and what not are granted.

however it is also an infringement upon religion and freedom of religion, i am not religious person by any means however it doesnt take much to see the fact that marriage is a holy ceremony, every single religion i can think of is against homosexuality, therefore the government FORCING the churchs to recognize asspackers and carpetmunchers as "married" is repugnant and goes against the grain of the constitution.

as for the adoption, of little boys that are molested how many of them were molested by women? yeah, very fucking few. not only that but a kid cant get a balanced WOMAN figure and MAN figure while they grow up, in fact they get NEITHER and they will be fucked up because of it.

not to mention they will develop behavior patterns that will alienate them from the rest of society.

up until the late 80s when political correctness took over every pyshcological institution in the country classified homosexuality as a mental illness, thats the way it still should be instead of applauded by the mtv generation and their ilk of brainwashed buffoons.

its fucking disgusting, the people that founded this country have to be rolling over in their grave right now.

Marqus

02-17-2004, 11:04 AM

I like you too Nnuk! I'm just trolling. Don't mind me~ Fag. I just don't understand how you are okay with girls being raised by 2 men and not boys being raised by 2 men. Isn't a male child being raised by a single parent mom in the same situation as a child being raised by 1 or 2 gay men? Also.. I have found in my life experence with homosexuals that many, if not most, act very hetrosexual. Well besides loving the cock that is. I have a friend who I have hunted and fished with for many years. He is also as gay as a 2 dollar bill. There is sexually gay and culturally gay IMO.. many gays are just as MANLY as you and I. Btw I still love you.. in a MANLY sort of way.

Dar- Know what.. I think people who have gone to jail shouldn't be able to have kids or marry. If YOU PEOPLE didn't produce any offspring I think the world would be a better place. YOU PEOPLE shouldn't get the same rights as us law abiding citizens.

wotonn

02-17-2004, 11:31 AM

retards that eat shit is pretty funny .GRAY i am sorry ya got buggered when you where young bro! hehehe

Fistanthalas

02-17-2004, 11:48 AM

Um, chugging cock/biting the pillow is a disgusting learned behavior. Noone is born gay and like wise noone is "born" straight. AND its one of the greatest mysteries of life: 1. How does space never end? 2. How do you not like pussy?

You won't find racist/sexist/biased comments comming out of me as I have no problem with a man deciding to like other hairy assed men, i don't understand it and find it repulsive but I won't hate on them, to each his own imo, plus thats less competition for pussy for me. I think the influx of pillow biters are due to how today's pop-culture glorfies men with a "fem-side", with shows like Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and trying to popularize this whole "metrosexual" fad. It's all pretty gay if ya ask me (pun intended =P)

LOL and BTW Marqus, the phrase is, "Queer as a three dollar bill" :p

Marqus

02-17-2004, 11:52 AM

"Um, chugging cock/biting the pillow is a disgusting learned behavior."

So gay animals are made gay by the media? ;p Something is just wrong with thier wiring. Same for people who have no sexual preference. Just messed up minds.

AD Nnuk

02-17-2004, 12:43 PM

It's all good to say that there are no real differences between homosexual and heterosexual males but the fact of the matter, Marqus, is that there are. It took Hammy what? 5 minutes to realize the guys in the pic were gay? And that's from a pic -- Woulda been a lot less had it been a video... Prolly instantaneous had sound been included.

I'm not saying that the entire gay community are those feathered boa wearing fuckwits at a gay pride parade but there are definate behaviors which are learned (not part of the "hard coding" mentioned earlier) over time and can be passed along.

This is not to say that it's necessarily wrong for a boy to use feminine intonations when speaking or other similar things -- My point is simply that this fictional boy would have a much easier time through his teens if he hadn't picked up "faggy" (for lack of a better term) mannerisms from his dadS.

Why is it different for a girl?

Several reasons... But I can sum it up a lot quicker by asking y'all (Guys only please!) to try something:

Picture two chicks kissing and fondling each other.

Now picture 2 guys doing the same.

Capiche? :-)

What my position boils down to is simply that I couldn't care less about the perceived need for men (or women) to be parents. I don't care if they feel their lives are unfulfilled. I lose no sleep over their longing for a little bundle of joy to make their lives complete.

I do, however, believe that it's wrong to put kids in a situation which will make their lives even more difficult for the sake of political correctness -- They're the ones I care about.

Nnuk

Fistanthalas

02-17-2004, 12:52 PM

So gay animals are made gay by the media? ;p Something is just wrong with thier wiring. Same for people who have no sexual preference. Just messed up minds.

Gay Animals?!?!? Are you fuckin SERIOUS?! =P

Steve

02-17-2004, 01:01 PM

here is an example, my friend dated a girl that had a lesbian mother.
this girl was fucked up in the head something fierce.

I also dated a girl with a lesbo mother and the same results, a very fucked up child.

you try growing up in a house with mom fondleing some other bitch.

imagine going to school and everyone knowing your mother is a carpet muncher.

I was raised from childhood to resect other peeps lifestyles but as I age I grow more and more against homosexuality.

why the fuck do gays have to have parades in the city?
I dont have a parade about my sexuality

Marqus

02-17-2004, 01:11 PM

My last post on this topic!

Yes I read a study somewhere along the line of animals (I am fairly sure it was dolphins) who were more sexually receptive to the same sex than the opposite sex. I think it would be a good thing to study for my graduate work ;p GAY FISH AND THE WOMEN WHO LOVE THEM!

There have been homosexuals forever.. the ancient greek soliders fucked eachother. They were also MANLY and killed lots of people. Hurray. Roman emperors had mass gay orgys. And now today adam and steve can get married in america (well atleast in San Fran). I don't care that they do. To be honest it wierds me out to shake hands with a gay man. I dunno why, and I'm not even homophobic. But the truth of the mater is this. Gay marriage doesn't doesn't hurt me. Socioty will live on.. as it has for the tens of thousands of years that we have had homosexuality in humans. From my point of view I don't understand the homophobes. But whatever toots your horn. Some people don't like black people. Some people don't like gays. Then there are people like Darwoth who hate everone who isn't exactly like them. Gogo xenophobia :D

Edit: did a lil google on gay dolphins and found a news artical about the study I read:

"RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil — Brazilian scientists have reported for the first time ever homosexual behavior among dolphins living in their natural habitat, a Brazilian daily said Monday.

A team of Brazilian marine experts was studying the behavior and reproduction habits of the stenella longirostris species at the archipelago of Fernando de Noronha off northeastern Brazil when they identified homosexual behavior among males and females dolphins, the O Globo said. (Kyodo News)"

Still cannot find the actual study. A bio prof gave it to me ages ago but I guess I threw it out.

Lesa

02-17-2004, 01:16 PM

Its ok for girls to be gay but for men its gross? I dont know how it is ok for 2 girls to lick each others crotch but when men do it, its a different story.

You guys are way to bored. :D

Detodos

02-17-2004, 01:25 PM

Its ok for girls to be gay but for men its gross? I dont know how it is ok for 2 girls to lick each others crotch but when men do it, its a different story.

You guys are way to bored. :D

Girls licking each others crotches Lesa?? THAT'S FREAKING AWESOME. PLEASE SHOW ME WHERE THIS HAPPENS!
Damnz Lesies where u been? SUP
You should come back to PS, I need a good vanguard driver and you are tops of the loft!!!

AD Nnuk

02-17-2004, 01:29 PM

Gay Animals?!?!? Are you fuckin SERIOUS?! =P

Indeed. Most mammals have a fair percentage of homo/bi-sexuality.

Most apes (including, but not restricted to, humans), dogs, cats... Dolphins, as Marqus pointed out, are especially raunchy -- You name it.

Hell... Here's something to really weird ya out, Fist: Pedophilia exists among all of them also.

Dunno about necrophilia though.

GAY FISH AND THE WOMEN WHO LOVE THEM!

And I always thought that aroma stemmed from a lack of hygene... Live&Learn! :p

Nnuk

PS Its ok for girls to be gay but for men its gross?

Relatively ok... Yes. How popular do ya think Howard Stern's show woulda been had he opted to have gay guys instead of lesbians as his primary crowd pleaser?

Have Gray take that test I mentioned a few posts up and watch his face as he does it -- You'll see what I mean! ;-)

Danubi

02-17-2004, 01:29 PM

hrmm? they love to fuck people in the butthole just like most men do just on females. And hey, dont hate gay people, the more gay people in the world = alot more pussy for the rest of us.

thats it

GrayRage

02-17-2004, 01:32 PM

However I wasn't talking about getting a job, was I? Nopers! I was talking about the childhood/teen years of an individual and how certain factors can affect them.
Well kids that are brought up by stupid parents (ones who have 10 kids and speak ghetto happen to be a good example, but it's not limited to them) are automatically giving their kids a fucked up chance at having a good life by their simple lifestyles. Just like you say homos will give a child. So which is worse? Ghetto accent or homo accent?

however beign forced to "recognize" them as "normal"
The fundamental problem with defining anything as normal is there are so many ABNORMAL people when you do it. So what's normal and how do we determine that they should have kids? These morons with 10 kids who can hardly speak any language and have no job or car and do crack everyday? Are they normal? They seem to be allowed have as many kids as they can spawn tho.

however it is also an infringement upon religion and freedom of religion, i am not religious person by any means however it doesnt take much to see the fact that marriage is a holy ceremony, every single religion i can think of is against homosexuality, therefore the government FORCING the churchs to recognize asspackers and carpetmunchers as "married" is repugnant and goes against the grain of the constitution.
When i try to figure out which is worse....Religion or Homosexuality....I find myself thinking it's religion. Has homosexuality caused millions of human deaths? Millions of people being tortured? Lots of boy buggered? I dunno...religion by nature is not for the brightest bulbs in the batch if you ask me...so using it as a viable excuse not to allow homos to marry is kinda ghey. So to speak ;p

as for the adoption, of little boys that are molested how many of them were molested by women? yeah, very fucking few. not only that but a kid cant get a balanced WOMAN figure and MAN figure while they grow up, in fact they get NEITHER and they will be fucked up because of it
It happens. But valid point non the less. Men are much more likely to do stupid shit like that then woman. gay or not.

not to mention they will develop behavior patterns that will alienate them from the rest of society.
Like stabbing "niggers" ? ;p

up until the late 80s when political correctness took over every pyshcological institution in the country classified homosexuality as a mental illness, thats the way it still should be instead of applauded by the mtv generation and their ilk of brainwashed buffoons
I don;t care what MTV peopel believe. Or anyone else for that matter. I agree that homosexuality is possibly a mental illness (i do not believe it is learned behavior so it has to be genetic which = mental illness). It's pretty much just the oppsite sex's sex drive got stuck in the wrong body.

GRAY i am sorry ya got buggered when you where young bro
If you read the whole thing, you would have notcied i said he TRIED. You will also notice he is dead now.... WOOOOOTON! :D

Um, chugging cock/biting the pillow is a disgusting learned behavior. Noone is born gay and like wise noone is "born" straight. AND its one of the greatest mysteries of life: 1. How does space never end? 2. How do you not like pussy?
How could it be learned? Do you think if you were brought up by homo's you would be gay? I know for a fact that if i was brought up by the biggest homo's ever created (Toad, Agenteyepatch ect) I would still not be gay. It's simply a foreign thing to me. I don't like men...it' could not be LEARNED for me to like men...I even liked girls when i was in the 1st grade! This is NOT learned! Girls like DOLLS when they are like 2 years old! Guys do NOT....this NOT learned...it's a mental difference.

why the fuck do gays have to have parades in the city?
I dont have a parade about my sexuality
I dunno. I mean...I hold Lisa's hand in public (when she lets me) ...and no one complains...

I dunno...live and let live if you ask me. Kill the fuckers who fuck with you let the ones who mind their own business do their thing. Just MHO.

Detodos

02-17-2004, 01:32 PM

oh yah...I don't have a problem with two people of the same sex getting married. Just as long as we don't stop there and allow people to pretty much marry whatever they want. Let people marry their pets if they want. Who's to say that a person wanting to legally marry his/her dog is wrong, how about their car. I bet a number of people would want it in legal terms that they are bound to their car and the two should share all the same legal rights as other married couples. I can't wait for the day when we go into the hospital and people have their horses, Ferraris, cats, Play Stations, computers, etc. at their side all day and night long. And people should definitely get tax breaks for being in a loving committed relationship with these things too!! YAY GO AMERICA!!

Hamadryad

02-17-2004, 02:02 PM

First of all, the whole nature vs nurture argument Nnuk brings up. Will the children learn to adopt mannerisms that are "gay"?

...Maybe. Probably not since kids spend more than half the day at school though grades kindergarden through 12. However here's my question Nnuk: Who the fuck cares if they do? There was someone named Markus at our highschool who spoke that way...He had tons of friends, mostly girls. Well actually I didn't like him cause he used to gossip behind peoples backs alot but it had nothing to do with the fact that he's gay :P People should be able to choose whoever the hell they want to love ..and also however they want their speech patterns to sound.

Darwoth I don't watch MTV and find it kinda dumb that you would think I base an argument upon anything I watch on it. People who get grossed out by gay couples can go ahead and be grossed out, but don't try to control other people or tell them what is right or wrong when it's really none of your business.

Edit:As for the adoption, of little boys that are molested how many of them were molested by women? yeah, very fucking few. not only that but a kid cant get a balanced WOMAN figure and MAN figure while they grow up, in fact they get NEITHER and they will be fucked up because of it

They don't let just any random person adopt, adoption is a long and difficult process and many people are screened out as being unfit.

Maule

02-17-2004, 02:12 PM

ok, ok, I have a confession to make. I'm a lesbian trapped in a mans body. I feel so much better now... :p

AD Nnuk

02-17-2004, 02:24 PM

First of all, the whole nature vs nurture argument Nnuk brings up. Will the children learn to adopt mannerisms that are "gay"?

With very few exceptions... Yes.

Probably not since kids spend more than half the day at school though grades kindergarden through 12.

Um... Hammy -- By the time a kid is 5 most of his/her vocal (as well as many behavioral) traits have already been set into stone. That's why French people have trouble making the "TH" sound, why Anglophones can't pronounce the French "U", etc.

However here's my question Nnuk: Who the fuck cares if they do?

The bunch of fuckwits that will beat the everlovin' shit out of some poor kid for being a "fag". That's who.

People should be able to choose whoever the hell they want to love ..and also however they want their speech patterns to sound.

A romantic sentiment indeed.

However one need only look upon the current state of affairs to realize that this kind of permissive renegade-hippy bullshit is responsible for most of the problems in society today.

Skyrocketing divorce rates, people your age on their 2nd or 3rd kid, folks with barely enough cash to get by popping out kid after kid after kid... It's all part of the same clusterfuck.

don't try to control other people or tell them what is right or wrong when it's really none of your business.

So you would have no objections to a 50 year old guy marrying an 11 year old girl?

What? You do have a problem with that? But why -- It's really none of your business.

Nnuk

wotonn

02-17-2004, 02:25 PM

i wanna find a retarded gay dolphin that wears feathered boa's and eats shit . gray good thing you got away from that dude with just oral hehehe.just kidding, a bit bored today , here is a question would ya bang a women with a hairy brown eye??

Nemisys

02-17-2004, 02:50 PM

I feel that homosexuality is a mental illness that gays can't help, its hormones,endorphines and other shit mixed into that chemistry. I think that chemistry is mixed or mistaken during child creation. So they can't control how they feel but in now way is it normal. There is a purpose to everything in life and the reason to have a penis and a vagina is to reproduce to keep the species alive, man on man, women on women, can not do that no matter how the fuck you look at it. Tits are for creating milk to feed the young for survival.

On the adoption subject:
IMO there is a huge difference in 2 adults of the same sex and a single parent raising a child, not saying good or bad because that depends on the people raising them but there is a distinct difference.

Hamadryad

02-17-2004, 02:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamadryad
First of all, the whole nature vs nurture argument Nnuk brings up. Will the children learn to adopt mannerisms that are "gay"?

With very few exceptions... Yes.

What statistic or proof are you basing this on? Most teenagers actually try to be as LITTLE like their parents as possible (and I was a teenager not too long ago so I speak from experience)

Also don't think I didnt notice how you avoided my real world example where someone who was very obviously gay and spoke that way in my higschool was very popular and well adjusted.

There were also other guys who came out of the closet after highschool, ones who had been on the field hockey teams, playing basketball, and definitely NOT sounding gay in any way. Straight parents. Shouldn't they have turned out straight...if what your theory says is true?

Marqus

02-17-2004, 03:00 PM

There was someone named Markus at our highschool who spoke that way...He had tons of friends, mostly girls

Ouch.. a thinly vieled implication that I am gay. Oh the humanity. HAMA!!

btw.. ever visit www.marqus.com? lolrific!

Hamadryad

02-17-2004, 03:03 PM

Omgosh, but that was his name ;(

I'm on my parents computer, I better not click that methinks :P

edit: nm I gave in and clicked it. hehe what have you been up to Marqus

http://www.marqus.com/images/circuit_2k2.jpg

http://www.marqus.com/images/proud.jpg

Fistanthalas

02-17-2004, 03:18 PM

How could it be learned? Do you think if you were brought up by homo's you would be gay? I know for a fact that if i was brought up by the biggest homo's ever created (Toad, Agenteyepatch ect) I would still not be gay. It's simply a foreign thing to me. I don't like men...it' could not be LEARNED for me to like men...I even liked girls when i was in the 1st grade! This is NOT learned! Girls like DOLLS when they are like 2 years old! Guys do NOT....this NOT learned...it's a mental difference.

I'm at work right now so I don't really have the time it would require to write the most intelligent of replies, but I def disagree with you on that. I'm not saying that a boy raised by 2 gay parents would be gay, to be honest I don't think it works like that. I am a firm believer in the theory that ALL behaviour deviant or not is "learned" in the early stages of childhood and is contributed to by MANY different factors that I could not tell you. If I could I'd be a super-famous psychologist not a broke ass Systems Admin. :p
I just cannot accept that people are born "gay". Explain this then, guys who are happily married w/ children for many years and then leave their wife and family for another man?!? It happens everyday! Your going to tell me that he was always gay and society and/or his upbringing taught him to hide his "real" sexuality leading him to carry on a "normal" life by getting married and spawing lots of children??? I don't buy that either, maybe on occasion thats the case but not all of them.
I also don't think that little girls have something in their genetic makeup that make them play with dolls. One of my best friends, who still takes riducule to this day, used to play carebears at recess with the girls in 1st grade while all the boys played kickball. Now he grew up in a house without his mom and 4 very straight brothers and now that hes 25 he may be the only person I know who loves pussy more than I do. So explain wher in his genetic makeup is the gene that made him perfer Carebears to kickball?!?

**Imitates the "Carebear Stare"**

Arkons

02-17-2004, 03:31 PM

Personally I think its a cultural thing, exsisting because of the lack of male presence in boys lives starting at a young age. And then stupid male posturing that happens during middle school through high school. Ill give you a scenario.
Boy is born, dad is gone on business a lot more than he should. Mother babies the boy too much, and femenine attributes are encouraged rather than masculine (im not talking just about sports and stereotypical male activities, rather an entire set of behavioural reactions) Children learn through emulation, if there is no male figure around in their young life, they may end up emulating their matriarch instead.
He gets to elementry school and finds himself more comfortable around females then guys. So he plays with them on the playground.
Jr. high and High school hits, he doesn't understand all the bullshit male posturing that every guy goes through during this time. And so he excludes himself from it completely. What did you call the guys in your high school who never played sports, were into jazz music, and all hung out together, or primarily with girls? I called them fags... everyone did... I remember the game well, whoever had the most testosterone won, and then you called everyone below you a fag.
I suppose the more and more they heard it, the more and more they beleived it.
I suppose this is just one way "faggation" can happen.
I disagree with allowing them to adopt babies because it just perpetuates the cycle. I don't beleive it's natural, and I don't think it fosters a healthy enviroment for any child. If a child's dad is gay, and the child emulates his dad, it doesn't take a genius to guess how the child is going to turn out. I think people should be allowed to do whatever they want to behind their own doors, natural or not. I think gay couples should enjoy the same tax privledges that married couples enjoy. Allowing them to adpot though is just taking it way too far.

Marqus

02-17-2004, 03:37 PM

Omg Hama, its HOT :D

DiSCO FeAVeR!

Rabdallas

02-17-2004, 06:02 PM

I just cannot accept that people are born "gay". Explain this then, guys who are happily married w/ children for many years and then leave their wife and family for another man?!? It happens everyday! Your going to tell me that he was always gay and society and/or his upbringing taught him to hide his "real" sexuality leading him to carry on a "normal" life by getting married and spawing lots of children??? I don't buy that either, maybe on occasion thats the case but not all of them.

Don't underestimate the fact that in this time being gay is more or less accepted. Up until a few years ago someone who openly admitted he/she was gay was immediatly rejected by society and branded as dangerous. I think it is very plausible that a lot of gay people didn't or still don't dare to "come out" because they are afraid of the consequences. Specialy in countries like the USA where people scream murder when a nipple is shown on TV (no offense =))

Also, I remember seeing a documentary about research that showed it was very likely that being gay was genetically determined (or is it defined?). I think they showed this by genetically altering fruitflies so they became gay.

Personaly I think there is nothing wrong with being gay. I even think they should be able to get married. I see marriage as a declaration of love for and dedication to your partner and therefore think it should be possible for both straight and gay people. The odd thing is that somehow I have no problem with lesbians having children but I don't approve of gay men addopting children.

BTW I know a guy who was raised by a lesbian couple and I can assure you he became a very "normal" person and I can't think of anyone straighter then he is. =)

gr,
Rab

AD Nnuk

02-17-2004, 06:17 PM

What statistic or proof are you basing this on?

Experience which extends a tad beyond being a teenager not too long ago, m'lady. ;-)

Actually I already went on to explain why this is so in my previous post but I'll be glad to provide you with an everyday example that may be easier for ya to grasp.

Growing up in Montreal gave me the opportunity (positive or negative is debatable) to be exposed to people of various cultures. So naturally I encountered lots of mixed couples as well -- Do you have any idea how many kids born in Montreal speak with a French (from France) accent because that's where their parent(s) hail from? Why do ya think so many Haitian kids speak with an accent so heavy one would swear they were fresh off the boat when, in reality, they've never even left St-Michel district?

Statistics indeed.

Most teenagers actually try to be as LITTLE like their parents as possible (and I was a teenager not too long ago so I speak from experience)

Yeah? Well guess what -- They also fail at it miserably. When you look in the mirror 20 or 30 years from now and notice your mom staring back at you I hope you'll remember this conversation. ;-)

None of that, however, changes the fact that most patterns are set far before the whole rebellious phase kicks in.

Also don't think I didnt notice how you avoided my real world example where someone who was very obviously gay and spoke that way in my higschool was very popular and well adjusted.

I didn't avoid your example of the gossiping gay guy -- You added it with a ninja edit.

"Avoidance" would be your lack of a response to:

don't try to control other people or tell them what is right or wrong when it's really none of your business.

So you would have no objections to a 50 year old guy marrying an 11 year old girl?

What? You do have a problem with that? But why -- It's really none of your business.

Nnuk

PS Oops -- Almost forgot!

There were also other guys who came out of the closet after highschool, ones who had been on the field hockey teams, playing basketball, and definitely NOT sounding gay in any way. Straight parents. Shouldn't they have turned out straight...if what your theory says is true?

In your eagerness to try (Repeat: TRY!!!) nailing me on a forum you've attributed someone else's "theory" to me -- I never said that sexual preference was a learned behavior.

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 07:18 PM

Marqus

02-17-2004, 08:01 PM

I disagree, based on the actual study I read, about the dogs ect being gay. I don't think they have the cognitive ability to care what they fuck. Be it a male, female, or tree. On the other hand the higher reasoning animals (primates, dolphins, humans) can be gay. They selectively have sex with only the same gender. (well cept Bi's.. and I have no opinion on them :)

btw Dar, you agree that those who have gone to jail shouldn't be allowed to marry? I'm glad you see things my way.

Saradin

02-17-2004, 08:06 PM

I hope non of them are catholic b/c according to that bible if thoust lie w/ another man they should be sentenced to death and sent directly to hell.

I do believe same sex marriage is wrong for too many reasons to list here really. However, those kids are going to have long hard lives filled with ridicule and misunderstandings and I feel very sorry for them.

Hamadryad

02-17-2004, 09:07 PM

Actually no Nnuk, the well adjusted gay guy part was not added as a ninja edit, the quote at the end was (also I was fixing a spelling error) Nice try though. I'll respond to the rest later.

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 09:10 PM

actually i pretty much overlooked your rather stupid (and blatant) attempt at trying to bait me as it is easily one of the dumbest things ive seen you say and replying to stupid shit gives me a headache, that and it has no bearing on anything whatsoever with regards to fags gettign married and adopting kids to be brought up in a dysfuntional environment. given the fact most people in jail are there for mundane things such as punching an asshole in the face or havign one to many beers or having a joint you cant compare them to people who by their very description are against human nature and by that alone are unfit to raise a child.

then you get into the whole fact that a heterosexual "with a record" is capable of, oh i dunno producing his own children? taking someones OWN kids away from them is a hell of lot different then deciding not to GIVE away kids to pairs of mentally ill perversions of society.

of course, i dont wants kids anyway so you will have to find something else to attempt to bait me and hijack the thread with.

edit: just reread your post, now your talking about people with records not being able to marry? or about not having kids? or both? put down the glue dude you used to be able to form a cognitive argument.

Marqus

02-17-2004, 09:14 PM

I don't think children should be raised in dysfunctional white trash homes such as yours.. thats all. No one who has been in jail should be allowed to marry and have kids. YOU ARE A CANCER ON OUR CULTURE!

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 09:18 PM

ok you lose, "omg omg im a white trash dysfunctional home because i stabbed some dipfuck in self defense over eight years ago!" "i will revert to making stupid attempts at insults even though they have nothing to do with the subject matter because im a fucking idiot that cant form an argument!", please shoot yourself in the face shifting your bodyweight so you land in the slit trench beside xondio.

that is all.

you sure are overly sensitive to this topic, do you have a gay brother or something?

Marqus

02-17-2004, 09:22 PM

No. I'm a libertarian (for the most part) and I think govt should get the fuck out of everyones business. How does gay marraige harm you Dar? It doesn't. You're just a hick who hates almost anyone who isn't a WASP. You are a racist. You are trailer park trash. Go running around screaming the south will rise again. Go waving your confederate flag. The world has changed. You are now the minority. Go die~

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 09:33 PM

this is the comedy of the thing your talking about, you are defending the governments ability to tell people what to do and dont even know it, religious instituions are a private institution, the government just passed a law THAT FORCES THEM, UNCONSITITUTIONALLY TO ACCEPT AND RECOGNIZE GAY MARRIAGES WHICH IS ENTIRELY AGAINST THEIR BELIEFS.

you are the champion of big brother and dont even realize it.

i am a libertarian, i believe people should be able to do what they want so long as it doesnt affect others, two faggots sharing aids with each other in their own home doesnt bother me, two faggots taking a child and raising it in a completely unnatural manner that will cause it numerous problems and create someone that doesnt function normally in society does affect me, aside from that it is cruel to the child.

if some fags want to get together and make their own religion so they can marry themselves all they want then hey whoop de doo go for it, forcing others to go against their beliefs is not ok, nor is granting a pair of fudgepackers the same breaks you would to a heterosexual couple that contribute to society my spawning and raising the future of the country.

i have never lived in a trailer.

the only people i hate as a whole are niggers, my feelings toward fags are just a general disgust.

i dont own a confederate flag.

the south wont rise again, it will actually be the midwest/south combined and possibly alaska vs the north east seaboard and california, mark my words =P.

and lastly, stfu.

Eyepatch

02-17-2004, 09:44 PM

Specialy in countries like the USA where people scream murder when a nipple is shown on TV (no offense =))

Also, I remember seeing a documentary about research that showed it was very likely that being gay was genetically determined (or is it defined?). I think they showed this by genetically altering fruitflies so they became gay.

Yeah, the U.S. is obsessed with censorship, like everyone is going to be shot to death if they don't protect society by censoring a stupid fucking nipple on TV.

I'm a psychology major and I took a Human Sexuality course where we discussed many topics concerning gays. There was a lot of research done on genetics relating to if that is what determined if a person was gay or not. All of the studies done resulted in over 70% of the reason why a person chooses the same sex as a life partner is related to genetics and the rest is related to life experiences. It was pretty interesting to talk about - we actually had many gay volunteers come in the class and answer questions any students had about how it was living as a gay person. It was real cool to know IMO.

I am not a pro-gay person, nor against it. I am often disgusted when I see two guys kiss in public (as rare as this may be), but that is none of my business, if that is what makes them happy - MORE POWER TO THEM. I have a couple friends (female and male) who are gay.

Studies also were done that revealed that the most homophobic people were so against gays because they actually had a curiousity about homosexuality themselves which leads to their strong disagreeance with homosexuality. Also, they possessed strong insecurities concerning their OWN sexuality.

Marqus

02-17-2004, 09:46 PM

The government wants a CONSITUTIONAL AMENDMENT barring gay marraige. How the fuck is that a libertarian ideal? Dude... I'm not saying ANY church needs to recognize a gay union. I'm saying they should get the same tax benifits and health benifits as normal married couples. If the catholics don't want to recognize it who the fuck cares. I just get pissed as fuck when I see the right (and some of the left wtf!) trying to taint our constitution with anti gay trash. The constitution was layed out to gives us all rights, equal rights.. .equal protection. Freedom of speech... freedom to have guns... thats what the constitution is about. Not baring a group of people from getting married.

And btw.. no one will rise again. I get along just fine w/blacks. They get along w/me. They get along w/everyoen cept red necks like you who hate them for no reason.

Go die~

Edit: Did you know the libertarian party wants to allow gays to serve in the militery Dar? Are you REALLY a libertarian?

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 09:59 PM

i dont know anything about who wants a constitutional ammenedment barring gay marriages, i think its a waste of time and no restrictive laws should ever be place on the consitution, i do know that the current law passed essentially forces the existing religions to recognize gay marriages and perform them.

and i also highyl disagree gays should get benefits, they contribute nothing.

the tax benefits are there because it is expensive to raise children, they cant have their own children, and they are unfit to raise any. thusly there is no cause whatsoever for them to get the same recognition.

i had the same views on black people up until about the time i was 19 when i looked back and realized every single black person i had ever known (a whole lot, believe it or not) turned out to be a piece of shit, that not even getting into the huge double standards of black/white or their ghetto thug kill whitet culture where being a highschool dropout slinging crack and doing drivebys is a higher status symbol then someone who goes to college and is successful. but this is the fag thread, not the nigger thread. if want to tlak about them make a different one.

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 10:03 PM

edit is fucking up, wtf

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 10:06 PM

im a libertarian yes, doesnt mean i have to agree with whatever the party line is.

that said, if fags want to serve in the military its ok by me we can always use cannon fodder, long as they keep them in seperate units away from the real soldiers, i know if i was in a firefight i would not want some limpwristed sissy covering me, or have to wonder if a guy was sizing up my dick in the shower, or get my unti wiped out because the two guys in the LP were fucking each other instead of doing their job. and the only reason gays are makign a stink about being in the military is because they "cant", because any fag that wants to be in the military seriously can join no problem as long as he doesnt go around flaunting his gayness. soon as they are able to enlist openly i highly doubt you will see many of them there, its just another little obstacle in their way to being falsely percieved by society as "normal".

Marqus

02-17-2004, 10:49 PM

"that said, if fags want to serve in the military its ok by me we can always use cannon fodder, long as they keep them in seperate units away from the real soldiers"

Ever heard of the Spartans? :D Biggest badest mother fuckers in the ancient world. They also fucked eachother.

And dar.. should infertal couples not get tax bennifits? They can't produce any off spring. Their union can produce nothing...

Darwoth

02-17-2004, 11:28 PM

yes i know who the spartans were....

"go and tell the spartans, stranger passing by. that here obedient to their laws we do lie" and all that shit, they were not a society of asspackers.

not anymore than rome was, rome had a few bathouses where fags congregated, just like california did. nothing new for people with similar beliefs to flock to one another, even mentally ill ones.

thats like sayign america is a society of faggots because we have faggots in our population.

and yeah there is no real reason for an infertile couple to get tax benefits, although infertility is often temporary, or they have already had kids and got tubes tied etc. that is where adopted children should be going, not to bob and rob.

Marqus

02-17-2004, 11:56 PM

"they were not a society of asspackers"

Might wanna read up on them a lil more :o

Darwoth

02-18-2004, 12:07 AM

im not going to argue with you about whether a society that has been gone for centuries was akin to fucking each other in the ass marqus, lots of modern day revisionists rewrite or embellish things to fit their vision. lot of people consider ancient rome to have been a homosexual culture because a small portion of the poluation were openly gay.

thousands of years from now if america is gone historians will probably look back at the events of the day and say we were a homosexual society to.

anyway it has nothing to do with shit, did you have a point in bringing up the spartans that you falsely correlate to being a marauding band of super fags?

lets pretend your right and the psartans were a bunch of gays, what has that to do with anything in this thread?

i cant think of a single straight military person that would want a faggot in his unit, for the reasons i listed above and many more, did you have a response to my post or did you just want to talk about irrelevant crap and quote a single sentence?

Hamadryad

02-18-2004, 01:54 AM

What does who you sleep with have anything to do with...ANYTHING. Anyone who thinks homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights and priviledges as everyone else is stupid, end of story.

By the way Darwoth, my best friend is gay, I guess she is mentally perverted?
You should really watch what you say.

Darwoth

02-18-2004, 03:35 AM

"By the way Darwoth, my best friend is gay, I guess she is mentally perverted?"

to put it simply, yes. sorry if you dont like my answer.

and i dont expect you to see things from the point of view of folks who think gays are unfit to be parents etc given your biased situation.

AD Nnuk

02-18-2004, 04:00 AM

Actually no Nnuk, the well adjusted gay guy part was not added as a ninja edit, the quote at the end was (also I was fixing a spelling error) Nice try though. I'll respond to the rest later.

Nice try? /boggle

If you say it was there I'll take yer word for it but I seriously didn't notice it upon the first read -- Fact that should clue you in as to how insignificant it actually was... Hardly worthy of repetition in yet another post about nada. :(

What does who you sleep with have anything to do with...ANYTHING.

Why shouldn't the guy with an eye for the younger ladies get a job as a schoolbus driver? What does who he sleeps with have to do with... ANYTHING?

Why wouldn't I trust my accountant just because he's been cheating on his wife for 30 years as this surely has no bearing on his character. What does who he sleeps with have to do with... ANYTHING?

Why wouldn.... Is any of this penetrating through that incredibly dense barricade of stubbornness? :p

Anyone who thinks homosexuals shouldn't have the same rights and priviledges as everyone else is stupid, end of story.

Ooooh!

The "Nanny-Nanny-Poo-Poo Gambit" -- You're messageboard warrioring is strong! :eek:

Is Robin taking notes?

Nnuk

PS my best friend is gay, I guess she is mentally perverted?

Don't you read these threads before posting, Blondie? We've already established that chicks licking clits is quite acceptable indeed -- Especially if they're hot. :cool:

Mindgames

02-18-2004, 08:09 AM

i saw the fruitfly thing once, personally i think it is a learned behavior. but if in fact its not and they are born that way then hey thats good to, because it means 20 years from now genetic engineering will have advanced to the point of being able to isolate and destroy the "gay gene" before the kid is born, thus eliminating gays from the earth.

by the way i love it when people bring up the "omg well animals are gay!" argument as if that somehow verfies homos as being perfectly natural and normal.

a few things......

1> animals often cant tell the difference between one hole or the other, ever have a dog try to hump your leg? its comical to me that gays willingly compare themselves to something that drinks out of the toilet.

2> there are mentally retarded/ill animals just like there are humans so if there are in fact "gay animals" that knowingly want to have sex with itsn sex then that proves nothing.

Darwoth, Im so glad you started this post.... I really did think you had some kind of education, however, you spilling your nonsense all over this thread has led me to understand that you are a complete and useless member of society.... So far all i've heard from you since you got out of jail is "kill anyone who isn't me, fags shouldn't get married, and animals often cant tell the difference between one hole or the other?" Did you drop out of school in 5th or 6th grade?
So if it were up to Darwoth, Blacks wouldn't be free, women wouldnt be voting, and gays wouldnt be gay, nevermind getting married. As a matter of fact I think in 30 or 40 years we will be looking back at this and saying "Wow, I can't beleive we didnt let those poor gays get married"
So here is what you should do Darwoth, You should sit all the gays down in one room and convince them that they really aren't gay and It was learned.
People like Davinci, Leonardo, Monet hell grab all the painters, songwriters, and performers from that last 2k years and tell them listen, this is just one big coincidence, but just because you are amazingly creative and you think you were born this way doesn't mean you really are gay.

Darwoth and everyone else who agrees with him needs to seriously get off the fucking video games and further increase their education. Then after this is done, you need to come out and join the real world and meet and get to know some of these "Types of people" that you so much despise...
Since these people have gotten married I'm happy for them and to tell you the honest truth, my life isn't affected one bit by it so they can have at it.

Ignorance is bliss... Darwoth really should start these arguements on his own forums or make one black page with red writing. Title it "I Hate Everyone" then go on a 5 hour writing frenzy about all the anger inside you that stems from a horrible upbringing and maybe show your parole officer who will ask the judge to get you free psychiatric counceling.

Mindgames

02-18-2004, 08:27 AM

Also animals CAN tell what hole is what.... You are a fucking idiot...
They hump your leg because it feels good to them, like you would be jerking off in public if it were tolerated.... Animals have no morals and need to be trained not to hump your leg, however in your family this might not happen since everyone is too busy watching nascar and jerry springer.

My next question is
Have you received one piece of educational data in your entire life you fucking waste of space. I'm so glad we dont have to put up with your completely ridiculous attitude anymore... Quit huggin DB's nuts and go elsewhere if you are ever wanted.

Darwoth

02-18-2004, 08:38 AM

figure of speech genius.

and if you want me to respond to your whining ranting garbage dont put words in my mouth.

Mindgames

02-18-2004, 09:09 AM

figure of speech genius.

and if you want me to respond to your whining ranting garbage dont put words in my mouth.

yeah.. whatever

Darwoth

02-18-2004, 09:21 AM

yeah.. whatever

precisely what i said when i read about 1/3 of the way through your post =P

Malignancy

02-18-2004, 09:32 AM

I don't know...maybe its just me, but I love lipstick lesbians.

EC

GrayRage

02-18-2004, 09:43 AM

Fist, that's the point, homosexuality is not behavior. It's sexuality. A gay man is attracted to men just like a woman is attracted to a man. This means the gay man has the sexuality of a woman which is a form of retardation. Saying homosexuality is learned is like saying a retard learned to slur their words when they talk.

Here is a good test. If YOU were brought up by the biggest homos ever, do you thin,k you would be attracted to men as an adult? Or would the first hot chick in a bikini blow that out the window?

A hetero guy would druel over the hot chick and try to hump her leg. A homo would not even be interested. That is not learned behavior.

BTW, yer friend sounds like a homo ;p

given the fact most people in jail are there for mundane things such as punching an asshole in the face or havign one to many beers or having a joint
You don't believe this do you? ;p U gottsa really be a fuck up to actually serve time in jail...let alone prison.

Marqus

02-18-2004, 09:43 AM

No one is going to get anywhere on this thread. Dar is going to hate everyone not like him... others are going to say Dar is a fucking idiot. Just end it.. END THE CYCLE!

Lesa

02-18-2004, 10:16 AM

Guys everyone has his or her opinion. The fact is people can be what they want to be. Its not our place to tell people what he or she can do or be. Arguing and fussing over this thread is not going to get anywhere. Darwoth has his opinion and is very stubborn so stop arguing and get over GAY people. :)

/licks Madonna's hair pie :)

GrayRage

02-18-2004, 10:24 AM

I dunno why folks would want to stop the thread. This stuff is fun :)

And lesa, i dunno if u wanna lick that pie....u dunno where it's been :(

Hamadryad

02-18-2004, 12:13 PM

Darwoth

02-18-2004, 12:27 PM

GrayRage

02-18-2004, 01:25 PM

Okay Nnuk, so it's a mental problem when a guy is gay and it's fine when a girl is? You know perfectly well that makes zero sense.

Actually hama, guys only like fake lesbians. Chicks that are not real lesbians that fool around with other chicks. The differnce is that TRUE lesbians are actually MEN in a woman's body IMHO and act like men...which makes them un appealing to most hetero men. They wear manly cloths, they are usually sloppy, they are agressive...and well ...act like men ;p

I really do not know of many TRUE lesbians that are all that attractive. Of course...it's less repulsive to me 2 woman doin' the nasty because if i was a woman...it's what I would be doing too :D...but then again...I am a Lesbian... or would be if i was a woman!

HarukoSZ

02-18-2004, 03:52 PM

/licks Madonna's hair pie :)

lololol wtf : D

Sliptik

02-18-2004, 04:43 PM

uh, they can be with each other all they want.

dont expect me to recognize their marriage as legit.

dont expect me to think they are fit to raise children.

and dont expect me to think they deserve the benefits that come with a real marriage when they contribute none of the factors that are the reason for those benefits to exist.

i think you will find my thoughts on the matter are rather prevalent actually, there are a lot more people who agree with me than nnuk in this thread.

Darwoth I noticed in one of your posts you said 'The only people I hate as a whole are niggers', what would you do if a respectable 9.0 - 10.0 black chick wanted to go out with you?? Rule out a 9-10.0 because of ethnicity? foolish.

you know you'd fuck janet jackson, etc. dont fuck around.

later

-Slip

Marqus

02-18-2004, 04:57 PM

I don't find african americans attractive at all :\ Doesn't mean I'm racist. Just means I.. don't find african americans attractive :D

Krygor

02-18-2004, 05:12 PM

I have to agree with Grays opinion on the difference between TRUE and FAKE lesbians.

True Lesbian:
http://www.lesbian-cards.com/cards/card64.jpg

Fake (Enjoyable) Lesbian
http://www.darkenbane.com/image/53358

Darwoth

02-18-2004, 06:04 PM

i am usually not attracted to black girls, granted some of the light skinned ones that have about 3 or 4 generations of white people mixed into them and dont have the blocky facial features arent bad looking.

but no id not go out with a black girl because id know it would not work and it would be a waste of time, simply their behavior patterns and vast cultural differences would turn me off immediately, but if want to talk about that start a new thread, this is the gay thread =P

edit: and janet jackson? come on dude she is NOT attractive =P i mean even her tits are nasty looking, that picture of her nipple from superbowl looked like one of her fucking brothers noses, like a cracked dried up pencil eraser or some shit.

Lesa

02-18-2004, 06:09 PM

I am a fake lesbo. :)

GrayRage

02-18-2004, 07:27 PM

Slip, that picture is disturbing

And yes, I agree Janet Jackson's boob looked somewhat...alien. She shoulda' skipped the nipple ring mebe.

Some of the hottest chicks around are black, however. Vanesa Williams and hale berry (however u spell their names) come to mind.

mmmm..... fake lesbians.... :D

Hamadryad

02-18-2004, 07:46 PM

Actually hama, guys only like fake lesbians. Chicks that are not real lesbians that fool around with other chicks. The differnce is that TRUE lesbians are actually MEN in a woman's body IMHO and act like men...which makes them un appealing to most hetero men. They wear manly cloths, they are usually sloppy, they are agressive...and well ...act like men ;p

There are some celebrity chicks that without a question I would do if given the chance, many girls would I think (looks like Lesa wants to jump Madonna!). If I see a pretty girl I notice her too, but it doesn't mean that I personally am not a very girly girl. Well I did play with lego when I was a kid...I would make these insane lego structures (Look mom it's the CN Tower!) ...and then put my barbies in them :P

Krygor

02-18-2004, 08:02 PM

Hama, if you ever "notice" a good looking a girl again besure to catch it on video and share :p

HarukoSZ

02-18-2004, 08:05 PM

holy shit LEGOS RULE

AD Nnuk

02-18-2004, 09:14 PM

Okay Nnuk, so it's a mental problem when a guy is gay and it's fine when a girl is? You know perfectly well that makes zero sense.

Obviously your half brained examples have no bearing on the real discussion. Of course they aren't going to put a pedophile in a position where they have to be around children. We have laws to protect children (age of consent, etc) for that. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we have the right to tell two consenting adults who love each other. I find it insulting and unbelievable that anyone would tell them they don't have the right to be with someone they love. Who the hell do you think you are, a nazi? I'm glad Nnuk/Darwoth's opinions are not prevalent in this day and age, at least.

Bravo!

You've succeeded at missing each and every point I was trying to make -- Clearly another Hamadryad victory! :p

100 years ago you could be hung for screwing a black person (of any friggin' gender). Why? Because we -- as a society -- considered it wrong for adult caucasians to be boinking peeps of african descent.

50 years ago there were laws against homosexuality. Why? Because we -- as a society -- considered it wrong for adults to be boinking other adults of the same gender. Many of these laws still exist, btw.

Still with me? Good... Cause here's the important part:

Why do we have laws like age of consent today? Because we -- as a society -- currently consider it wrong for adults to be boinking kids. And we do so with every bit as much conviction as we did 50 and 100 years ago.

In other words: The enlightenment of this day & age that you so proudly speak of would have been every bit as unthinkable a few generations ago as saying that a 40 year old woman should be able to marry a 13 year old boy is today.

I know you're real passionate about this kinda stuff, m'lady, but things are very rarely as black&white as you like to make them -- Especially issues of this nature.

Nnuk

PS Your inability to grasp the subtle complexities of an argument, my dear, does not necessarily render it irrelevant. :(

Marqus

02-18-2004, 09:17 PM

There are still laws against homosexuality to this day Nnuk. But if you think it will ever be *okay* for a 40 year old to boink a 13 year old you are fucking nuts.

Pedo :\

AD Nnuk

02-18-2004, 09:55 PM

Jesus H Christ... Do I have to spell each and every little thing out for you people?

/leaves a trail of M&Ms a la E.T.

100 years ago anyone suggesting that blacks and whites should marry would have met the same reaction as someone today saying that an adult and a child should be permitted to wed.

50 years ago anyone suggesting that 2 men should be permitted to fornicate would have been seen in precisely the same light as a member from NAMBLA preaching his beliefs.

Are you seriously going to try telling me it's inconceivable that in 50-100 years time -- if things are permitted to continue down the touchy-feely path they've historically been on -- things like child/adult and inter-species "relationships" will be on the table?

Please folks... Try to fully grasp a point before trying to respond to it -- I find it rather unchallenging even when y'all know wtf you're talking about... No need to make it even easier for me! :p

Nnuk

PS There are still laws against homosexuality to this day Nnuk.

Yes, Marqus... I know -- That would be why I mentioned this very fact in the post you responded to.

/sigh and taps his microphone

Testing... Testing... Is this thing on?

HarukoSZ

02-18-2004, 10:12 PM

Guys...guys... no need to argue... I just found out they are making a Lion King 1 1/2... ^_^

Hamadryad

02-18-2004, 10:14 PM

Dude that's been advertised for weeks

HarukoSZ

02-18-2004, 10:19 PM

oh SHIT M&Ms

PS: I didnt even read Nnuks post (along with everyone elses) but I tell you, skimming threw the thread I get a glimps of some of the words in his posts and it hurts my head : (

Marqus

02-18-2004, 10:28 PM

I'm saying I don't care how far off in the future we look it will never be acceptable for 40 year olds to fuck 13 year olds. Its fucking wrong.

HarukoSZ

02-18-2004, 10:30 PM

Stop getting off topic Marqus, Lion King 1 1/2 DISCUSS....

AD Nnuk

02-18-2004, 10:33 PM

I'm saying I don't care how far off in the future we look it will never be acceptable for 40 year olds to fuck 13 year olds. Its fucking wrong.

But Marqus -- Do you not believe that these guys...

http://www.primitiveshadows.com/marriage.jpg

... Were every bit as convinced of their position as you are?

Were they right? Are you wrong?

Damn -- I'm getting a headache! :(

Nnuk

Marqus

02-18-2004, 10:37 PM

AD Nnuk

02-18-2004, 11:16 PM

Discriminating on the basis of something that harms no one is wrong. (ie 2 gays having sex in their own bed room d/n hurt anyone)

a 40 year old fucking a 13 year old has a definate harm. The 13 year old is going to be messed up for life.

It wasn't that long ago that 13 year old girls were married off for the sake of advancing their family's status -- How old do ya think their hubby's were? Sheesh -- If a chick wasn't married (or at least being courted for that purpose by serious suitors) by the time she was Hammy's age she was either an old maid, a hooker, servicing her father & 8 brothers or a combination of the above.

Not to mention how many 13-15 year olds we see walking around pushing baby carriages these days (which, incidentally, is another by-product of being overly supportive of other people's fuckups). Talk about being messed up for life. :(

Let's call a spade a spade -- The reason we're against it is from a moral/ethical perspective. We know damn well that a 35 year old guy isn't interested in a 15 year old girl for her conversational skills and we firmly believe (and rightfully so, imo) that the young lack the experience and wisdom to realize that they'd just be used as a fuckdoll.

The typical guy who protested against inter-racial relationships wasn't just a stupid, uncultured, redneck. Sure there were some but keep in mind that the vast majority of the population happened to espouse the same ideals for a very long time. And they did so secure in the knowledge that they were right -- Just like you.

The fellow fretting over gay marriage isn't just a bible-thumping closet skinhead. Of course there was a percentage of 'em but again: Most of the populace was in agreement about that for hundreds of years. And you guessed it... They were firmly convinced they were right -- Just like you.

Ethics and morals are constantly being reshaped to accomodate the "do whatever makes you happy" philosophy we've been increasingly adopting, bud, and I am seriously concerned about where the trend will eventually lead.

A line does have to be drawn somewhere and, inevitably, somebody is going to have their "rights" stepped on -- Be it the fellow who wants to marry his goat 100 years from now, the middle-aged woman inviting her paperboy to move in 50 years down the road or the Grand Marshall of the Gay Pride Parade being told he can't fucking adopt a kid today.

Nnuk

Marqus

02-18-2004, 11:57 PM

Hurray for the never ending argument.

Gays should have equal rights.

40 year olds shouldn't fuck 13 year olds.

Marqus should turn his computer off and study.

AD Nnuk

02-19-2004, 12:01 AM

/sighs

I feel like I'm trying to explain why the square peg won't fit in the round hole to Kyoshou. :(

Nnuk

wotonn

02-19-2004, 01:07 AM

I understand what you are saying Nnuk .i live in the south so ya might have to drop that down to 11 year old girls with 40 year old men , see 13-16 year olds with kids all the time , my son is 14 , last year he had a girl in his class , that left to have a baby ,pretty crazy shit ,OHHH and iwould bang that lesbo with the big ears in that pic . most lessssssies i see are like five seven 200-300 lbs with like 7 earings in one ear lip pierced , and wearing a camo t-shirt . think i did bang a lesbo once a big chick but not sure there where alot of big chicks i try to forget.

Hamadryad

02-19-2004, 01:40 AM

Pyratt

02-19-2004, 02:21 AM

i'd like to say, nnuk you're absolutely right. i'd like to add that it's not the act that makes the transgression in and of itself. it's violating society and society's rules (morals, values) that make someone 'bad'

for instance: We dont think any less of George Washington b/c he kept slaves.
Also, we don't classify ancient Greeks as evil and perverted b/c of their different views on rape, homosexuality, and pedophilia

however if someone today, raised in our particular world's order, were to violate our rules, they would most likely be a 'bad' person.

so i guess it's like it's ok to do stuff as long as u know it's ok deep down (because of your nurture). extreme example: if you were raised in a society in the future where it was ok to just walk up to a woman and force yourself upon her, then engaging in this act would not be 'bad'

but if you violate important norms in the world you live in, by say engaging in pedophilia in our world, you are most likely the scum of the society and every society has its scum =P

so i guess im saying pedophilia isnt innately wrong, but b/c of the way our society is set up and the way we are raised it is wrong and for good reason. however i can think of many societal structures that would allow for no damage and no wrong from this act

--------------------------------------------------------------

i'd also to say that every time darwoth posts anything, u guys make a 93209423page thread - this is silly

the internet is the ultimate bandwagon device. before when darwoth was 'in' and said crap like this, most of you would chime in with him cuz u thought it was cool

now it's uncool to side w/ darwoth and instead it's magically cool to join the flame-darwoth bandwagon

how the heck does a thread get to this many pages anyway

*Heh, I guess I'm a hypocrite for adding to this thread~

Hamadryad

02-19-2004, 02:30 AM

I usually always disagreed with Darwoth when he made these kinds of threads, especially when he was in Canada bashing mode. :P

I think he makes these threads alot more often now though to piss us off :\

HarukoSZ

02-19-2004, 02:36 AM

I am the SILENT ASSASSIN

Meter

02-19-2004, 03:25 AM

There is no absolute truth, and talking about it is not very interesting for obvious reasons.
Threads like these are certainly not new and have nothing to do with recent events:

http://forums.darkenbane.com/showthread.php?t=2332&goto=lastpost
http://forums.darkenbane.com/showthread.php?t=1813&goto=lastpost
http://forums.darkenbane.com/showthread.php?t=1797&goto=lastpost
http://forums.darkenbane.com/showthread.php?t=1661&goto=lastpost

To name a few...

GrayRage

02-19-2004, 05:47 AM

and have nothing to do with recent events
Actually, tho some euros and such might not know it, this is a big issue in the US as the Mayor of San Fransico is allowing same sex marrages now. People from all over country are goin to San Fransico to get married even tho the law saw it's not legal. People around the country don;t think they should have to honor these marrages. Anyhow, it is a current event in the US, so it's prolly as good a time as any to discuss it. retarded nazi view or not :)

Are you seriously going to try telling me it's inconceivable that in 50-100 years time -- if things are permitted to continue down the touchy-feely path they've historically been on -- things like child/adult and inter-species "relationships" will be on the table?
Ahh, u are one of those guys who wants to make laws or keep laws because of other laws or lack thereon that MIGHT happen in the future? Great. Hows about we make laws and keep laws current that apply to what's goin on now and not worry about what laws people might try to pass 40 years from now? ;p

Anytime u use the arguement that a law should exist or should not be removed because of what laws might follow 40 years from now has already lost the arguement IMHO.

Fact is, if it's ok for homo to get married now, then let them do it. Worrying about it leading to marrying dogs or 13 year olds down the road is just not a valid arguement against it.

Meter

02-19-2004, 06:02 AM

With the recent events i meant the drama with Darwoth.

Krygor

02-19-2004, 06:30 AM

I personally am against gay marriage, but they're not going to stop griping so we might as well appease them a little, I'm thinking rather than marriage licenses that we should just give them these cheap corny little certificates, kinda like the onces that you get for graduating from kindergarten.

The State of Ohio Congratulates ___________(Your name here) on your wonderful fag weddings. Enclosed is a fruitcake......

AD Nnuk

02-19-2004, 08:45 AM

Ahh, u are one of those guys who wants to make laws or keep laws because of other laws or lack thereon that MIGHT happen in the future?

I went to great lengths to illustrate -- in several posts -- how things we once considered immoral (and illegal) are eventually considered acceptable. You can argue against me all ya want... You might even convince a few peeps that you're right. But ya can't really argue against history (unless you're American and we're talking about wars, of course).

Today we send pedophiles to jail... Yesteryear we hung whites for fucking blacks -- Which, pray tell, would you say society frowned upon more?

Great. Hows about we make laws and keep laws current that apply to what's goin on now and not worry about what laws people might try to pass 40 years from now? ;p

Now there's a great idea!

So all you parents with 14 years old daughters can feel free to send them clubbing. Why not? It isn't like you should be able to stop them because you think they might do something stupid -- Wait until she gets knocked up by the bouncer, bartender and half the patrons first and then ground her. :rolleyes:

Anytime u use the arguement that a law should exist or should not be removed because of what laws might follow 40 years from now has already lost the arguement IMHO.

Your opinion is clearly wrong though -- And not (just) because I don't lose arguments. ;-)

Fact is, if it's ok for homo to get married now, then let them do it. Worrying about it leading to marrying dogs or 13 year olds down the road is just not a valid arguement against it.

A "fact", Gray, is something which can be backed up with proof -- Either current or past trends can be considered proof (which I supplied).

A "fact" is not just saying "Well I don't understand what's going on but I think it's all good anyway" -- That would be an opinion... And an erroneous one at that. This would be what could be described as an "invalid argument" (which you supplied).

Now if you'd care to supply some sort of background (rooted in logic and common sense -- Not based on some obscure statistical study done by a special interest group) to show why your position is correct and mine is so hopelessly flawed I am more than willing to listen -- But I'd be quite surprised if that were to occur.

Nnuk

PS Special mention goes out to Pyratt for being able to grasp the full scope of the point I was trying to make. /cheer

Marqus

02-19-2004, 09:09 AM

I "grasp" your point.. its just wrong. One brings a serious harm to someone. One does not.

GrayRage

02-19-2004, 09:36 AM

how things we once considered immoral (and illegal) are eventually considered acceptable
So? If it's acceptable now, then make it legal. If it's not, then make it illegal. Simple. Son't make laws based on what might happen down the road or if it's a "stepping stone" for us to be more acceptable of different behaviors down the road.

Today we send pedophiles to jail... Yesteryear we hung whites for fucking blacks -- Which, pray tell, would you say society frowned upon more
I don;t care. See my above statement. What's important is how we as a society act now not how we acted in the past and or might act in the future.

So all you parents with 14 years old daughters can feel free to send them clubbing. Why not? It isn't like you should be able to stop them because you think they might do something stupid -- Wait until she gets knocked up by the bouncer, bartender and half the patrons first and then ground her.
I am not sure where i said this was a good idea...or where i implied we should do it. Did yah read what I said and then just make up some random situation that has nothing to do with my statement? Never once did I say anything even closely related to what yer talking about.

A "fact", Gray, is something which can be backed up with proof -- Either current or past trends can be considered proof (which I supplied).

A "fact" is not just saying "Well I don't understand what's going on but I think it's all good anyway" -- That would be an opinion... And an erroneous one at that. This would be what could be described as an "invalid argument" (which you supplied).

Now if you'd care to supply some sort of background (rooted in logic and common sense -- Not based on some obscure statistical study done by a special interest group) to show why your position is correct and mine is so hopelessly flawed I am more than willing to listen -- But I'd be quite surprised if that were to occur.
Again, you are not even addressing what I said. Describing to me what a fact is or is not has no relevance to what I said or the fact that you wish to impose your morales on other people.

If you want facts let me give you two:

1. You wish to impose your morals on others regardless of whether it harms anyone else or not. You think gay marrages are wrong and should be illegal even though it does not hurt you (or anyone else) to allow them.

2. Fact, I do not believe any law should exist where there is no victim. @ homos getting married has no victim thus should be allowed.

AD Nnuk

02-19-2004, 09:41 AM

I "grasp" your point.. its just wrong. One brings a serious harm to someone. One does not.

If you grasped it, Marqus, you wouldn't keep repeating the same thing. :p

/drops a few more M&Ms...

You believe it brings about serious harm... Just like folks from a few generations ago believed that mixing different races brought about serious harm and our more recent predeccesors believed that mixing genders can cause serious harm.

Why is your opinion more valid than theirs was? Because conventional wisdom says so? But it's already been demonstrated that conventional wisdom is constantly changing... So you're just as "right" today as a guy from way back when would have been when stating his thoughts on mixed races.

/scatters the last few pieces of candy left in the bag

I'm not preaching in favor of pedophilia nor am I making a case to support the KKK's founder -- The mere fact that some peeps (which should fucking know better) are responding as if these were the positions they're arguing against is pretty damn disappointing.

What I am saying (or desperately trying to, at any rate) is that if your whole position to counter concerns about gay adoption is founded solely upon conventional wisdom (which is in a constant state of flux) rather than a more global/historical view of things then you're not taking all facets of the issue into account and that lack of information, by definition, leads to a less informed opinion than you'd have been able to otherwise make.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get to Gray's reply before leaving for an ACPN (Association of Canadian Pedophile Nazis) seminar. :eek:

Nnuk

AD Nnuk

02-19-2004, 10:11 AM

So all you parents with 14 years old daughters can feel free to send them clubbing. Why not? It isn't like you should be able to stop them because you think they might do something stupid -- Wait until she gets knocked up by the bouncer, bartender and half the patrons first and then ground her.

I am not sure where i said this was a good idea...or where i implied we should do it. Did yah read what I said and then just make up some random situation that has nothing to do with my statement? Never once did I say anything even closely related to what yer talking about.

Dammit... And I'm fresh out of M&Ms too. :(

Your entire position is that preventative measures should not be taken in regards to moral/ethical standards and you go so far as to specify that you don't care about historical data and how it can indicate future trends.

So I followed your logic and made up that not-so-random simulation -- If it seemed a little out there to you then imagine how it seemed to me. :p

Again, you are not even addressing what I said.

I notice that every time you say this you include my quote but not the comment I was responding to when I wrote it -- Perhaps it would help you follow the flow if you tried. ;-)

See.. When you present something as a "fact" (your word... Not mine) to invalidate something I've said without supplying one shred of... Well... Anything to back it up then I feel it sorta becomes my duty to point out that your definition of the term differs a tad from my own.

If you want facts let me give you two:

1. You wish to impose your morals on others regardless of whether it harms anyone else or not. You think gay marrages are wrong and should be illegal even though it does not hurt you (or anyone else) to allow them.

2. Fact, I do not believe any law should exist where there is no victim. @ homos getting married has no victim thus should be allowed.

After going through all that trouble of explaining the difference between "fact" and "opinion"... This is what you came up with?

/boggle

1. Where did I say gay marriages were wrong or should be made illegal based on anything even close to resembling a moral perspective? You cannot supply a quote because it was never said -- Your first "fact" is an opinion based upon a misunderstanding of the arguments presented.

In other words: An erroneous opinion. Am I starting to detect a trend here? :p

2. This actually qualifies! It is indeed a "fact" that your "opinion" is precisely as you've stated. It's a pretty moot point but hey... At least it's a point! :D

Nnuk

Meter

02-19-2004, 10:14 AM

What I am saying (or desperately trying to, at any rate) is that if your whole position to counter concerns about gay adoption is founded solely upon conventional wisdom (which is in a constant state of flux) rather than a more global/historical view of things then you're not taking all facets of the issue into account and that lack of information, by definition, leads to a less informed opinion than you'd have been able to otherwise make.

Who's definition? What is truth? Nnuk who are you trying to convince? To use your own words: 'Why is your opinion more valid then theirs'.

IMHO we all need to listen more, ask more and do less convincing.

AD Nnuk

02-19-2004, 10:23 AM

Who's definition? What is truth? Nnuk who are you trying to convince? To use your own words: 'Why is your opinion more valid then theirs'.

IMHO we all need to listen more, ask more and do less convincing.

Meter -- That is precisely what I've been saying all along.

I'm running out of ways to explain this. :(

Nnuk

GrayRage

02-19-2004, 10:37 AM

Your entire position is that preventative measures should not be taken in regards to moral/ethical standards and you go so far as to specify that you don't care about historical data and how it can indicate future trends.

So I followed your logic and made up that not-so-random simulation -- If it seemed a little out there to you then imagine how it seemed to me. :p
Ahh yes, I see. If i think homos should be able to marry, it's an easy hop to assume I think 13 year olds are fuckable ;p Logic = your friend in a debate and a lack theron is a serious flaw my friend ;p

I notice that every time you say this you include my quote but not the comment I was responding to when I wrote it -- Perhaps it would help you follow the flow if you tried. ;-)

See.. When you present something as a "fact" (your word... Not mine) to invalidate something I've said without supplying one shred of... Well... Anything to back it up then I feel it sorta becomes my duty to point out that your definition of the term differs a tad from my own.

Fact: The sky is blue

Nnuk: "Where is your evidence?"

Answer: Sometimes common sense can replace "evidence"

Fact: 2 + 2 = 4

NnuK: "evidence please?"

Answer: Logic often dictates fact or not.

1. Where did I say gay marriages were wrong or should be made illegal based on anything even close to resembling a moral perspective? You cannot supply a quote because it was never said -- Your first "fact" is an opinion based upon a misunderstanding of the arguments presented.
MAking up fake arguements against gay marrages does not hide the fact you are against it for morale reasons. Your rationales for not allowing gay marrages are simply not true and invalid. There is no harm to society if homos get married and all of arguements say there is, but are only supported by saying it's bad for children or it gives thems ome tax advantage or it might lead to worse things later on.

Here, let me make this simple and we will see if you even answer instead of your usual silly semantics. Very simple. Ok ready?

1. Do you think gay marrages should be allowed? Yes or NO?

2. If no (and you claim it is not based on morale reasoning) and you claim there is a victim if we allow such a thing to happen, who is the victim?

So answer these 2 simple questions and we can get right down to the flaws in your arguement. Or ignore them and post silliness about this and that and M & Ms and small penises to avoid the issue. Just to clarify, the following is the silliness to which i am referring. When you are having trouble dealing with an issue, u run off on tangents that have nothing to do with the issue. Example:

In other words: An erroneous opinion. Am I starting to detect a trend here? :p

2. This actually qualifies! It is indeed a "fact" that your "opinion" is precisely as you've stated. It's a pretty moot point but hey... At least it's a point! :D

Nnuk

Marqus

02-19-2004, 11:00 AM

"Why is your opinion more valid than theirs was?"

Because mine is backed by clinical studys :D

Pick up a psychology today, good read :D

Pyratt

02-19-2004, 04:59 PM

"Why is your opinion more valid than theirs was?"

Because mine is backed by clinical studys :D

Pick up a psychology today, good read :D

marqus we agree that today (in america) there are severe and serious effects on children who are the victims of pedophilia...

reread my post, especially towards the end of rant#1 in it. basically what nnuk is implying but not clearly saying with the right color M&M's is that in the past there have been cultures where it was not only permissible for this sort of marriage (pedophilia?) but it also did not result in any harm/damage (in part likely b/c people didnt think it would cause damage, but moreso because the structure allowed for this behavior)

christ think about cavemen

is the current societal structure that we have now the intended ideal state that "man" was destined to have? (hint: of course not- if ur interested in this topic, a good read for everyone is Ishmael )

all psychologists in "psychology today" or whatever can do is analyze the cause and effect of today's world (i imagine biological and chemically-focused psychiatrists' works may apply to mankind universally tho, but that is another story)

think about what a caveman psychologist would say (besides *grunt*) =\

however Marqus i realize that you have posted too many times in this thread to be able to retract your comments and accept the argument, so i suggest u just dont read it and then post "lollerskates" or "didn't read"

Marqus

02-19-2004, 05:18 PM

Didn't read.

:p

All I am saying is that a 40 year old having sex with a 13 year old causes physical as well as mental harm to the 13 year old. Not just because it is shunned by our socioty but because a girl that old isn't ready in mind or body.

Tashern

02-19-2004, 05:25 PM

Gray Note: Dammit Morph, i hit EDIT instead of reply to your post and did my entire post over yours. Sorry man. Lemee summarize:

Tash: "NO GAY MARRAGE!"

IN a few paragraghs ;p Sorry dude!

ooooo i got it from cache. Here is Tash's post before i accidentally deleted it:

1. Do you think gay marrages should be allowed? Yes or NO?

No.

2. If no (and you claim it is not based on morale reasoning) and you claim there is a victim if we allow such a thing to happen, who is the victim?

The victim is marriage itself. Marriage by definition is between a man and a women that has been defined by thousands of years of civilization. You do not change that because a MINORITY thinks they are being discriminated against.

Most states (I'm pretty sure) allow civil unions between homosexual couples that gives the same state/federal rights as married heterosexual couples.

So gays are complaining because even though a civil union gives the same rights as marriage, they still want marriage and changed laws/the constitution to support that?

I'm rather shocked at some of you trivializing society in general and falling for the "O woe is us the gay community" card.

Darwoth

02-19-2004, 05:56 PM

uh oh, looks like the gays arent happy with just desecrating the name of marriage, now they want the terminolgoy changed to.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37191

give an inch give up a mile.

yaarii

02-19-2004, 06:32 PM

I don't see the relevance of that terminology change being bad at all. In a heterosexual marriage, you don't generally need a couple of boxes on a form to realise who the bridge and groom are. I certainly don't remember going to a wedding where the bride had to where a tag with "bride" labelled on it.

Again, this in no way stops or hinders heterosexuals getting married, so it really is....none of their business. Darwoth, when government's actually refuse to let a heterosexual couple marry, I'll be on your side protesting - but that will never, ever happen. EVER.

AD Nnuk

02-19-2004, 06:44 PM

Ahh yes, I see. If i think homos should be able to marry, it's an easy hop to assume I think 13 year olds are fuckable ;p

I find it hard to believe you honestly don't understand the point being made, Gray. You wouldn't happen to be going the "purposefully obtuse" route, would ya? ;-)

Logic = your friend in a debate and a lack theron is a serious flaw my friend ;p

No offense, man, but I have no lessons to learn from you in that regard -- I do thank you for your advice though! :D

Fact: The sky is blue

Nnuk: "Where is your evidence?"

Answer: Sometimes common sense can replace "evidence"

Oh shock of shocks... You've got it backwards!

I'm here not only telling you that the sky appears blue... But how the phenomenon takes place -- I've gone so far as to invite folks to show me why I am wrong.

Your response is that you don't care what color the sky is nor why it even appears to have any color at all -- If someone wants to believe the sky is pink with purple polka dots then let them... There are no victims here!

Common sense indeed! :D

MAking up fake arguements against gay marrages does not hide the fact you are against it for morale reasons. Your rationales for not allowing gay marrages are simply not true and invalid.

Unless you can provide some kind of proof -- like, say, a quote from me -- to back up your claim, Gray, then I most humbly submit that you're just grasping at straws in order to cover the flaws in your argument.

Would it help your case if I stabbed a nigger? :p

Here... Lemme provide the appropriate quote myself:

Seriously though... I don't care wtf consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home but there comes a point where political correctness has to give way to common sense -- And this would be that point.

I'm against gay marriage for economical reasons. For example... Most tax breaks and other benefits are afforded to married couples with the mindset that they're eventually going to make babies (thus assuring future taxpayers to keep the country's coffers full). Two peeps of the same gender obviously cannot do this. But hey... If they wanna have a ceremony and call themselves "spouse" it matters not to me -- So long as they do not qualify for "married couple" benefits. Unfortunately they do (at least in Canada) so, on that basis, I'm wholeheartedly against the concept.

Not exactly worthy of being convicted for hate crimes, eh?

Here, let me make this simple and we will see if you even answer instead of your usual silly semantics.

I'm not the one with credibility issues so please refrain from the standard spin -- It won't do ya any good with anyone other than the already converted. ;-)

But what the Hell... Gimme those questions!

1. Do you think gay marrages should be allowed? Yes or NO?

As I've already said NUMEROUS times -- Yes. From a moral/ethical perspective I have no more of a problem with gay marriage than the straight counterpart.

2. If no (and you claim it is not based on morale reasoning) and you claim there is a victim if we allow such a thing to happen, who is the victim?

It's YES but I do have an issue with my tax dollars funding it. If I have to shell out even more because of this (and, indirectly, I already do) then my YES is going to become a NO.

And it would become a NO because I -- as well as most tax payers -- shouldn't be victimized by having even more of our hard-earned money disappear into the govt beaurocracy.

So answer these 2 simple questions and we can get right down to the flaws in your arguement.

You'll forgive me for being skeptical. :p

Or ignore them and post silliness about this and that and M & Ms and small penises to avoid the issue.

What a crock of shit.

Dude... There are only so many serious ways one can explain why water is wet. Once these have run out then the next step is to try injecting a little levity into the discussion before things get too tense.

If you wanna see silliness, spinning and avoidance of issues... Feel free to reread the Discord thread. :D

Just to clarify, the following is the silliness to which i am referring. When you are having trouble dealing with an issue, u run off on tangents that have nothing to do with the issue. Example:

In other words: An erroneous opinion. Am I starting to detect a trend here?

2. This actually qualifies! It is indeed a "fact" that your "opinion" is precisely as you've stated. It's a pretty moot point but hey... At least it's a point!

If you were able to follow the flow of conversation (and, sadly, you were not) the relevance of the comment wouldn't have been lost upon you.

/chuckles

Gray... I've yet to encounter any issue I have trouble dealing with -- Let alone have to purposefully avoid, spin or double-talk my way out of.

Do the words "Physician heal thyself" hold any meaning for ya?

In closing I must say that this is irony at it's best:

Here I am -- the "classy PK" -- trying to convince peeps on the Darkenbane -- the guild which single-handedly propelled terms like "fag, "homo" and the like into the everyday vocabulary of RZers dur