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Marqus
02-26-2004, 01:49 PM
For those of you who haven't tried to protest Bush or don't know of this issue, which I assume is many, I'd like to fill you in on the FREE SPEECH ZONES we have in America. You see.. if you want to protest Mr. Bush you have to go to a designated place to protest. Often this place is conviently way out of sight of Bush or his parade route. For those who would like to learn more... read on!
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“Free-Speech Zone”


The administration quarantines dissent.


By James Bovard

On Dec. 6, 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft informed the Senate Judiciary Committee, “To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty … your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and … give ammunition to America’s enemies.” Some commentators feared that Ashcroft’s statement, which was vetted beforehand by top lawyers at the Justice Department, signaled that this White House would take a far more hostile view towards opponents than did recent presidents. And indeed, some Bush administration policies indicate that Ashcroft’s comment was not a mere throwaway line.

When Bush travels around the United States, the Secret Service visits the location ahead of time and orders local police to set up “free speech zones” or “protest zones” where people opposed to Bush policies (and sometimes sign-carrying supporters) are quarantined. These zones routinely succeed in keeping protesters out of presidential sight and outside the view of media covering the event.

When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”

At Neel’s trial, police detective John Ianachione testified that the Secret Service told local police to confine “people that were there making a statement pretty much against the president and his views” in a so-called free speech area. Paul Wolf, one of the top officials in the Allegheny County Police Department, told Salon that the Secret Service “come in and do a site survey, and say, ‘Here’s a place where the people can be, and we’d like to have any protesters put in a place that is able to be secured.’” Pennsylvania district judge Shirley Rowe Trkula threw out the disorderly conduct charge against Neel, declaring, “I believe this is America. Whatever happened to ‘I don’t agree with you, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it’?”

Similar suppressions have occurred during Bush visits to Florida. A recent St. Petersburg Times editorial noted, “At a Bush rally at Legends Field in 2001, three demonstrators—two of whom were grandmothers—were arrested for holding up small handwritten protest signs outside the designated zone. And last year, seven protesters were arrested when Bush came to a rally at the USF Sun Dome. They had refused to be cordoned off into a protest zone hundreds of yards from the entrance to the Dome.” One of the arrested protesters was a 62-year-old man holding up a sign, “War is good business. Invest your sons.” The seven were charged with trespassing, “obstructing without violence and disorderly conduct.”

Police have repressed protesters during several Bush visits to the St. Louis area as well. When Bush visited on Jan. 22, 2003, 150 people carrying signs were shunted far away from the main action and effectively quarantined. Denise Lieberman of the ACLU of Eastern Missouri commented, “No one could see them from the street. In addition, the media were not allowed to talk to them. The police would not allow any media inside the protest area and wouldn’t allow any of the protesters out of the protest zone to talk to the media.” When Bush stopped by a Boeing plant to talk to workers, Christine Mains and her five-year-old daughter disobeyed orders to move to a small protest area far from the action. Police arrested Mains and took her and her crying daughter away in separate squad cars.

The Justice Department is now prosecuting Brett Bursey, who was arrested for holding a “No War for Oil” sign at a Bush visit to Columbia, S.C. Local police, acting under Secret Service orders, established a “free speech zone” half a mile from where Bush would speak. Bursey was standing amid hundreds of people carrying signs praising the president. Police told Bursey to remove himself to the “free speech zone.”

Bursey refused and was arrested. Bursey said that he asked the policeman if “it was the content of my sign, and he said, ‘Yes, sir, it’s the content of your sign that’s the problem.’” Bursey stated that he had already moved 200 yards from where Bush was supposed to speak. Bursey later complained, “The problem was, the restricted area kept moving. It was wherever I happened to be standing.”

Bursey was charged with trespassing. Five months later, the charge was dropped because South Carolina law prohibits arresting people for trespassing on public property. But the Justice Department—in the person of U.S. Attorney Strom Thurmond Jr.—quickly jumped in, charging Bursey with violating a rarely enforced federal law regarding “entering a restricted area around the President of the United States.” If convicted, Bursey faces a six-month trip up the river and a $5000 fine. Federal magistrate Bristow Marchant denied Bursey’s request for a jury trial because his violation is categorized as a “petty offense.” Some observers believe that the feds are seeking to set a precedent in a conservative state such as South Carolina that could then be used against protesters nationwide.

Bursey’s trial took place on Nov. 12 and 13. His lawyers sought the Secret Service documents they believed would lay out the official policies on restricting critical speech at presidential visits. The Bush administration sought to block all access to the documents, but Marchant ruled that the lawyers could have limited access. Bursey sought to subpoena John Ashcroft and Karl Rove to testify. Bursey lawyer Lewis Pitts declared, “We intend to find out from Mr. Ashcroft why and how the decision to prosecute Mr. Bursey was reached.” The magistrate refused, however, to enforce the subpoenas. Secret Service agent Holly Abel testified at the trial that Bursey was told to move to the “free speech zone” but refused to co-operate. Magistrate Marchant is expected to issue his decision in December.

The feds have offered some bizarre rationales for hog-tying protesters. Secret Service agent Brian Marr explained to National Public Radio, “These individuals may be so involved with trying to shout their support or non-support that inadvertently they may walk out into the motorcade route and be injured. And that is really the reason why we set these places up, so we can make sure that they have the right of free speech, but, two, we want to be sure that they are able to go home at the end of the evening and not be injured in any way.” Except for having their constitutional rights shredded.

Marr’s comments are a mockery of this country’s rich heritage of vigorous protests. Somehow, all of a sudden, after George W. Bush became president people became so stupid that federal agents had to cage them to prevent them from walking out in front of speeding vehicles.

The ACLU, along with several other organizations, is suing the Secret Service for what it charges is a pattern-and-practice of suppressing protesters at Bush events in Arizona, California, Connecticut, Michigan, New Jersey, New Mexico, Texas, and elsewhere. The ACLU’s Witold Walczak said of the protesters, “The individuals we are talking about didn’t pose a security threat; they posed a political threat.”

The Secret Service is duty-bound to protect the president. But it is ludicrous to presume that would-be terrorists are lunkheaded enough to carry anti-Bush signs when carrying pro-Bush signs would give them much closer access. And even a policy of removing all people carrying signs—as has happened in some demonstrations—is pointless, since potential attackers would simply avoid carrying signs. Presuming that terrorists are as unimaginative and predictable as the average federal bureaucrat is not a recipe for presidential longevity.

The Bush administration’s anti-protester bias proved embarrassing for two American allies with long traditions of raucous free speech, resulting in some of the most repressive restrictions in memory in free countries. When Bush visited Australia in October, Sydney Morning Herald columnist Mark Riley observed, “The basic right of freedom of speech will adopt a new interpretation during the Canberra visits this week by the US President, George Bush, and his Chinese counterpart, Hu Jintao. Protesters will be free to speak as much as they like just as long as they can’t be heard.” Demonstrators were shunted to an area away from the Federal Parliament building and prohibited from using any public address system in the area.

For Bush’s recent visit to London, the White House demanded that British police ban all protest marches, close down the center of the city, and impose a “virtual three day shutdown of central London in a bid to foil disruption of the visit by anti-war protesters,” according to Britain’s Evening Standard. But instead of a “free speech zone”—as such areas are labeled in the U.S.—the Bush administration demanded an “exclusion zone” to protect Bush from protesters’ messages.

Such unprecedented restrictions did not inhibit Bush from portraying himself as a champion of freedom during his visit. In a speech at Whitehall on Nov. 19, Bush hyped the “forward strategy of freedom” and declared, “We seek the advance of freedom and the peace that freedom brings.” Regarding the protesters, Bush sought to turn the issue into a joke: “I’ve been here only a short time, but I’ve noticed that the tradition of free speech—exercised with enthusiasm—is alive and well here in London. We have that at home, too. They now have that right in Baghdad, as well.”

Attempts to suppress protesters become more disturbing in light of the Homeland Security Department’s recommendation that local police departments view critics of the war on terrorism as potential terrorists. In a May 2003 terrorist advisory, the Homeland Security Department warned local law enforcement agencies to keep an eye on anyone who “expressed dislike of attitudes and decisions of the U.S. government.” If police vigorously followed this advice, millions of Americans could be added to the official lists of “suspected terrorists.”

Protesters have claimed that police have assaulted them during demonstrations in New York, Washington, and elsewhere. Film footage of a February New York antiwar rally showed what looked like a policeman on horseback charging into peaceful aged Leftists. The neoconservative New York Sun suggested in February 2003 that the New York Police Department “send two witnesses along for each participant [in an antiwar demonstration], with an eye toward preserving at least the possibility of an eventual treason prosecution” since all the demonstrators were guilty of “giving, at the very least, comfort to Saddam Hussein.”

One of the most violent government responses to an antiwar protest occurred when local police and the federally funded California Anti-Terrorism Task Force fired rubber bullets and tear gas at peaceful protesters and innocent bystanders at the port of Oakland, injuring a number of people. When the police attack sparked a geyser of media criticism, Mike van Winkle, the spokesman for the California Anti-Terrorism Information Center told the Oakland Tribune, “You can make an easy kind of a link that, if you have a protest group protesting a war where the cause that’s being fought against is international terrorism, you might have terrorism at that protest. You can almost argue that a protest against that is a terrorist act.” Van Winkle justified classifying protesters like terrorists: “I’ve heard terrorism described as anything that is violent or has an economic impact, and shutting down a port certainly would have some economic impact. Terrorism isn’t just bombs going off and killing people.”

Such aggressive tactics become more ominous in the light of the Bush administration’s advocacy, in its Patriot II draft legislation, of nullifying all judicial consent decrees restricting state and local police from spying on those groups who may oppose government policies.

On May 30, 2002, Ashcroft effectively abolished restrictions on FBI surveillance of Americans’ everyday lives first imposed in 1976. One FBI internal newsletter encouraged FBI agents to conduct more interviews with antiwar activists “for plenty of reasons, chief of which it will enhance the paranoia endemic in such circles and will further service to get the point across that there is an FBI agent behind every mailbox.” The FBI took a shotgun approach towards protesters partly because of the FBI’s “belief that dissident speech and association should be prevented because they were incipient steps towards the possible ultimate commission of act which might be criminal,” according to a Senate report.

On Nov. 23 news broke that the FBI is now actively conducting surveillance of antiwar demonstrators—supposedly to “blunt potential violence by extremist elements,” according to a Reuters interview with a federal law enforcement official. Given the FBI’s expansive defintion of “potential violence” in the past, this is a net that could catch almost any group or individual who falls into official disfavor.

The FBI is also urging local police to report suspicious activity by protesters to the Joint Terrorism Task Force, which is run by the FBI. If local police take the hint and start pouring in the dirt, the JTTF could soon be building a “Total Information Awareness”-lite database on those antiwar groups and activists.

If the FBI publicly admits that it is surveilling antiwar groups and urging local police to send in information on protestors, how far might the feds go? It took over a decade after the first big antiwar protests in the 1960s before the American people learned the extent of FBI efforts to suppress and subvert public opposition to the Vietnam War. Is the FBI now considering a similar order to field offices as the one it sent in 1968, telling them to gather information illustrating the “scurrilous and depraved nature of many of the characters, activities habits, and living conditions representative of New Left adherents”—but this time focused on those who oppose Bush’s Brave New World?

Is the administration seeking to stifle domestic criticism? Absolutely. Is it carrying out a war on dissent? Probably not—yet. But the trend lines in federal attacks on freedom of speech should raise grave concerns to anyone worried about the First Amendment or about how a future liberal Democratic president such as Hillary Clinton might exploit the precedents that Bush is setting.
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James Bovard is the author of Terrorism & Tyranny: Trampling Freedom, Justice, and Peace to Rid the World of Evil.

December 15, 2003 issue
Copyright © 2003 The American Conservative

Stoffer
02-26-2004, 01:52 PM
On the bright side, soon you'll have the chance to elect someone that doesn't bend over when the far right tells him.

Illusive
02-26-2004, 01:54 PM
And oh what a sweet day that will be.

Maule
02-26-2004, 02:14 PM
On the bright side, soon you'll have the chance to elect someone that doesn't bend over when the far right tells him.

Right now it "appears" that we will have a choice of someone who scares the piss out of me (George Bush) and someone who scares me to death (John Kerry). As it stands now Im still voting for Bush. Im not happy about that, but I would be even unhappier with Kerry. Dam, what happened to Dean :(

Stoffer
02-26-2004, 02:19 PM
What happened to John McCain? =). I really hoped he would win over Bush last election. As much as I don't like John Kerry either, I think i'd pick him over Bush though.

Illusive
02-26-2004, 02:23 PM
Presidential elections are like getting a choice between the gas chamber or the electric chair.

Marqus
02-26-2004, 02:27 PM
"What happened to John McCain? =). I really hoped he would win over Bush last election. As much as I don't like John Kerry either, I think i'd pick him over Bush though"

I felt the exact same way. McCain would have been a great president.

Noelm
02-26-2004, 02:51 PM
I felt the exact same way. McCain would have been a great president.

Id pick marqus' buddy icon over any of em =/

Marqus
02-26-2004, 03:23 PM
Shaman > *?

YES!

Stoffer
02-26-2004, 03:29 PM
I am going to miss GBs oral communication skills. He's making political satire obsolete.

Darwoth
02-26-2004, 03:50 PM
mccain was an unconstitutional piece of fucking shit at least as bad as bush, the only difference is that his bullshit would be left wing based whereas bushes is right wing based, bush destroys the country at 40 miles an hour, mccain would have at 60, kerry will at 70 if hes elected.

all politicians are garbage with the rare exception of folks like bob barr, lying sacks of shit that will sell their own mom to get voted in.

if political power actually had limits the way framed in the constitution, and politicians were given minimal salaries and held accountable for their decisisons it would help ensure that people with only the countries best interest got in to begin with, and that whatever they did do while there would be limited, so you couldnt get a few bad apples niggerpile everything overnight.

GrayRage
02-26-2004, 04:52 PM
But the trend lines in federal attacks on freedom of speech should raise grave concerns to anyone worried about the First Amendment
You know, we are next.


Maule, I do not know shit about Kerry cause i was gonna just vote for Bush and did not care before. Now i have to change...tell me what is wrong with Kerry so I know what's goin on please. Can it really be worse then them telling us we cannot curse on this message board? Because that's NEXT!

Marqus
02-26-2004, 04:58 PM
Everyone just write in Noam Chomsky. All our problems will be solved!

Tashern
02-26-2004, 05:07 PM
tell me what is wrong with Kerry so I know what's goin on please.^^

As a lower middle class income family, I'm getting a nice tax return this year. If Kerry wins (highly unlikely) that is guaranteed to disappear, he already said he would undo all of Bush's tax cuts.

While he critisizes Bush on outsourcing of jobs, his wife the billionaire heiress to Heinz Ketschup currently has 23 Heinz plants in the US, and 50+ overseas.

And finally their is a nice pic around of Kerry at a Vietnam protest rally with Jane Fonda, and quotes of him calling gi's baby killers AFTER he did his tour of service.

Good enough to vote Bush for me : /

GrayRage
02-26-2004, 05:12 PM
Yeah, but do u think 4 years is long enough for them to censor these message boards? If so, then that's not the right way.

Marqus
02-26-2004, 05:22 PM
And finally their is a nice pic around of Kerry at a Vietnam protest rally with Jane Fonda

Umm that was a photo shop pic :) Has been proven to have been false. Sux ass in this day and age that people can make shit up and have it reported as news. Then when the papers find out its a fake they print the retraction on page 22a :(

Tashern
02-26-2004, 05:39 PM
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

This one ain't fake ; )

This picture comes from a rally held by the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW), an anti-war group with which Kerry was affiliated, held in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, on 7 September 1970. Kerry's campaign has confirmed that he was present at the rally and was a speaker at the event.

Maule
02-26-2004, 05:42 PM
Maule, I do not know shit about Kerry cause i was gonna just vote for Bush and did not care before. Now i have to change...tell me what is wrong with Kerry so I know what's goin on please. Can it really be worse then them telling us we cannot curse on this message board? Because that's NEXT!

Yea, Im scared of Bush. Im just, at this moment in time, more scared of Kerry. With all the problems Bush has, Hugh tax relief for the rich, letting corporations bend america over the table and having their way with us, poor environment policies, reduced freedoms, HUGHHHHH budget deficits....geez im getting more and more depressed the more I think about it. Im more scared of Kerry because of, exceptionally weak foreign policies. Other countries will laugh at us with Kerry as President, Government handouts, flip floping on his positions however the wind blows. You can say alot bad about Bush but you cant say he flip flops. Even when he's dead wrong he goes in full barrel. Im just scared. Possibly the scarest I have ever been when it comes to picking the leader of the free world.

Arkons
02-26-2004, 06:18 PM
Here's a funny statistic for you all. From best estimates the top 5% of our nation currently owns 75% of the total wealth. .5% owns 55%. The current estimated ratio of the "top floor" wages (top coprate executives) and the "first floor" wages (working class) is somewhere in the neighborhood of 225:1 and increasing.
Coporate America in the late 70s and early 80s accounted for 30% of the nations taxes... for those of you who don't know coporate taxes now reside at 35% of a coporations total earnings.
In the 90s coporations accounted for less than 15% of total national taxes and were predicted to be paying only 17% on total earnings due to what are called tax shelters. Which in short are a many fake transactions between companies owned by the parent company, that are bounced around internatinoally, end up in the Camen Islands and then back to the U.S.

Do corporations and their owners deserve this kind of break for economic stability?
Many economists beleive that the U.S. has virtually reached Third World Status, because of our constantly growing impoverished.

Don't beleive me? Look it up... will a democratic president fix this? nope, probably not. The entire system needs to change, because international conglomorates hold all the power in this country, and there isn't that much difference between either group.

also take for instance Bush's Enviromental policies.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0310/ozone030911_toms_big.jpg
The ozone hole in 2003, record size. Just to let you know, this is the layer most responsible for keeping out harmful ultraviolet and xray radiation that comes from our sun...
There's also the green house effect to consider. Carbon Dioxide and water vapor in our atmosphere is responsible for keeping earth warmer than say mars. This is released into the atmosphere through the natural process of evaporation. The increased amount of carbon dioxide being released into our atmosphere has been directly linked to the increase of the average temprature on earth since the start of the industrial revolution.
The Bush administration has consistantly denied the issue, despite the overwhelming ammount of scientific support (and expert's), and actually relaxed EPA standards in the midst of an international signing of the Kyoto Accords which would effectively put the levels of pollution throughout the world back to the 1999 levels, which I don't have to tell you Bush refused to sign, even after Clinton pledged to sign it. In fact coporate lobbyists still fight the accord on the international stage. More to the point in this article (http://www2.ucsusa.org/global_environment/rsi/rsirelease.html ) relased by the UCS (Union of Concerned Scientists) discuss the Bush's administrations abuse and spinning of evidence given to them by their own scientists.
there's also stem cell research, which Bush has effectively banned based on religious beleifs.

I've probably got a dozen more reasons why not to vote for bush... btw http://www.doonesbury.com is giving away 10 g for anyone who can prove Bush every showed up for duty in the national guard

GrayRage
02-26-2004, 06:53 PM
Other countries will laugh at us with Kerry as President, Government handouts
This has traditionally been the weakness of the Democratic party. Buying votes with handouts to the poor (free money for everyone) and weakness in foreign affairs. But I am really scared of this crap. Serious man. Whats next? Honestly, when will it stop? After they cannot curse on HBO? After movies cannot have cursing or Boobs in it? Dude, we cannot let them get away doin' this crap because it will not end here.

Tashern
02-26-2004, 07:02 PM
Lol that hole is right over Australia, is everyone dead there?!?!

Arkons
02-26-2004, 07:08 PM
jesus christ Tashern, I hope you were joking, because if you weren't you should immediatly delete that post, and change your avatar to a retarded child. its antartica not fucking australia.

Stoffer
02-26-2004, 07:15 PM
Lol that hole is right over Australia, is everyone dead there?!?!


jesus christ Tashern, I hope you were joking, because if you weren't you should immediatly delete that post, and change your avatar to a retarded child. its antartica not fucking australia.


can't........stop.....laughing.......

Tashern
02-26-2004, 07:17 PM
Kinda looks like Australia, you sure?

Marqus
02-26-2004, 07:24 PM
Lol that hole is right over Australia, is everyone dead there?!?!

Actually.. southern Australia is really bad. The UV rays aren't deflecting off the O3 layer and the skin cancer rates down there are astronomical. Do a google for australia and skin cancer.

And about the Kerry shot. I haven't heard about that pic. But I did hear about the one Drudge had up from the original photographer on CNN about how some fags photoshoped it and it was all over the news before people realized it was fake. Wouldn't doubt if that turned up to be fake too. Even if he was sitting behind her... umm so? That man did his time in Vietnam (which you can't say for Bush) and he had every damn fucking right to protest the war afterwards. He had more right than ANYONE.

Darwoth
02-26-2004, 07:34 PM
to begin with why i dislike kerry, not even beginning to touch on his politics, read this article.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37300

Marqus
02-26-2004, 07:40 PM
Tell ya what Dar. I'm gonna go with my father and two uncles who served in vietnam and agree with what Mr Kerry said :)

Marqus
02-26-2004, 08:06 PM
Dar check out the movie "Hearts and Minds".

Vietnam was not about lovey dovey crap building schools or anything else. Fucking shit dude. Don't let some revisionist history bs spin you.

Tashern
02-26-2004, 08:31 PM
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/page2.html

Vietnam wasn't a cruise on a swiftboat away from the action either.

Marqus
02-26-2004, 09:04 PM
Vietnam wasn't a cruise on a swiftboat away from the action either.

I'd say any time you take fire in anger you are in the action.

SnakkpackJihads
02-26-2004, 10:42 PM
This sounds like a violation of constitutional rights.

Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Peacably assemble, Speak their minds, And adress the government for redress of Grievances, This is a huge god damn mistake on bush's part

GrayRage
02-27-2004, 06:31 AM
I honestly do not even understand how the FCC is legal. It seems so blatantly a violation of the first amendment. I just don't get it.

Arkons
02-27-2004, 12:47 PM
I dunno Tashern, but what map of the earth were you looking at when you found out that South America was nearly touching Australia(sp?)? One made by the Catholic church in the 1500s?

yaarii
02-27-2004, 07:54 PM
lol that isn't australia. South America is on the other side of the planet.

And in 1500, nobody except aborigines knew about australia.