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Meter
03-18-2004, 07:27 AM
Posted by Stoffer (mailto: stoffer@darkenbane.com)

What does it take to be a winner?

It struck me that there are several kinds of guilds. Generally speaking there would be 4:

1. The guild that has been together for one game and accomplished nothing.
2. The guild that was made in one game, did really well but were unable to make the transition to the next game.
3. The guild that has been around for several games without notable success.
4. The guild that has been around for several games with much success.

Now, Darkenbane fits into category 4. We have been around for a long time, and we have impacted every server or game we participated in. But what’s the difference between a type 4 guild and the other 3? What makes it possible?

• We function well socially. No one is here because this is a stepping stone to ”t3h l33t c4r3b34r cr3w able to raid ubar m0bs”, they are here to stay. That means that people are here to have fun without an alterior motive.
• We share a common set of universal values. Blue guilds have fallen apart from moving games because the group values changed. Let’s say you play a blue server on EQ and you have a guild that’s really ”good” at raiding. You move your guild to DaoC which has some pvp and that, all though limited pvp, displeases some members. We on the other hand are pvpers, which is not subject to change. Many of us have been murdering players for a little more than half a decade, and that’s not subject to change. In other words, fundamental changes to the guild values are not likely to occur.
• A good setting. Our homepage is by far the most advanced guild homepage on the internet, and we have a leadership which puts countless hours into improvements.
• Renewing our roster. People get married, have children and quit gaming for various reasons. Some guilds blindly believe that the old members are the best and refuse to let people into the guild. No guilds can survive on the same roster for very many years. We don’t have the same roster we did when we started, but that's a natural part of gaming. Do we miss the old people that we lost over the years? Of course we do, but we have also understood the need to let people step up and take over. The members we picked up from planetside and Discord for example, is clear proof that this philosophy is a success.
• Active forums (sigh). The attention our guild has created means that we have a lot of people checking our homepage every day (you wouldn’t believe our daily hits even if I told you), not only to get updates about the guild, but also to fight it out on our forums. Not only do our members use our forums, but many non members also post frequently.
• We are in the absolute top of our field. We are undeniably at the absolute top of the gaming pvp community. I'm not going to say the best, because there are many good guilds out there, but we are in the leading pool.

If winning isn't everything, why do they keep score?
--Vince Lombardi

Fistanthalas
03-18-2004, 08:19 AM
Dude!! LOL!
Be prepared for like 94576934576394 posts from non-members about the "arrogance" of DB! Get the fire extinguishers ready, this thread is about to catch flame =P :rolleyes:

Arillious
03-18-2004, 12:59 PM
Nice post. I agree on everything. I'm currently going to school for web developement and our website is definently top of the line. If you guys need help with Graphics or anything, don't hesitate to ask.

Eyepatch
03-18-2004, 01:03 PM
Saying "teh win" is so gay. Damn euro.

Stoffer
03-18-2004, 01:27 PM
If you guys need help with Graphics or anything, don't hesitate to ask.

This is exactly an example of this guilds ability to put people with the correct knowhow together to produce something creative. If you look at the expertise currently available, we are far beyond the need of any guild. Fist mentioned arrogance and he may be right, but fact remains that the features, flexibility and use of our homepage far exceeds any other online guild.

Saying "teh win" is so gay. Damn euro.

Thats Mr. Eurotrash to you, sir.

Krygor
03-18-2004, 02:52 PM
This is exactly an example of this guilds ability to put people with the correct knowhow together to produce something creative. If you look at the expertise currently available, we are far beyond the need of any guild.

Yes, we have many people with various useful expertises. I'm looking ino having Sieges unveil his true singing talent by releasing a CD "The Best Of: J00 6ot |20xxored"

PureKovak
03-18-2004, 02:53 PM
We are in the absolute top of our field. We are undeniably at the absolute top of the gaming pvp community. I'm not going to say the best, because there are many good guilds out there, but we are in the leading pool.

stofferr, i vaguely remember your character on rallos zek but you are overstating your impact greatly on that server. i would say PoF had the biggest impact on that server as far as pvp, whereas you guys never were really threat against any powergaming guild. did you guys have good pvp'ers? yeah, i'm sure on the whole you were better pvp'ers than PoF but they had numbers and levels on you. but would the server have been worse without you guys? definitely, and your webpage is one of the best guild sites around, in fact its the only one i still visit :p i never played any of the other games you guys are involved in, but i'm guessing you weren't the best in those either since i know most of you guys have lives outside the game and in order to truly be the best at these type of games you need to play them 20 hours a day. but this post just cracks me up, you guys are so full of yourselves, i mean if you really were THE BEST why would you feel the need to state it on the front of your page? :p

Stoffer
03-18-2004, 03:13 PM
you are overstating your impact greatly on that server
I disagree. We had a major impact on people habits and such. Notice how many people ran around bagged. Sure, there were other pks, but we had 90% of them and the organization to influence peoples habits

i would say PoF had the biggest impact on that server as far as pvp

EQ high end pvp was innbred. The little handfull of big guilds only fought eachother, while we could reach most people because of our different lvlrange. Most people have been killed/attacked by us at some point.

yeah, i'm sure on the whole you were better pvp'ers than PoF but they had numbers and levels on you

We do have better pvpers. Some of us have played online games for more than half a decade and never set our feet on blue servers. We have rutine and skills that most non pvpers don't have. Remember Rykker winning BOTB at lvl 54?.

and your webpage is one of the best guild sites around, in fact its the only one i still visit

What you see as a visitor is only the top of the iceberg =).

i never played any of the other games you guys are involved in, but i'm guessing you weren't the best in those either since i know most of you guys have lives outside the game and in order to truly be the best at these type of games you need to play them 20 hours a day

no, you don't need 20 hours a day. Newbies need 20 hours a day. What you need is knowledge and skill.

Let's say some carebear plays 10 hours. They take their party and go explore some place and get killed. They lose xp, spend the first 3 hours. Spend 2 hours auctioning in the bazaar, and spend 5 hours getting decent xp and doing social stuff. That is poor use of your time.

Let's say I have 5 hours. Before logging on, I know which mobs give the fastest and best xp. I log on and hardcore lvl for 3 hours, get maximum exp from time spent, all the while running my vendor on my second computer. Sometimes i'll spend the last 2 hours lvling, sometimes i'll pk. It's a question of

Essentially, it comes down to how you play. There are several ways to improve efficency, it's essentially about mentality. Look at Discord for example. We had a clear plan on how/where to lvl for example, which meant that we could produce lvl 20+ chars in one day, something that a lot of people couldn't do in a month.

i mean if you really were THE BEST why would you feel the need to state it on the front of your page?

1. To piss people off.
2. It's as much us being number one as the criterias that were interresting to me.

SnakkpackJihads
03-28-2004, 02:47 PM
omg i smell like crap cause I R danish rawr have sex with chickens!
thats some messed up stuff stoffer