Pentagon video

[KetaMean]

im sure this is old, but my friend just sent it to me. doubt its very credible, but whatever, interesting none the less. http://pages.infinit.net/noc/pentagon.swf

[Vallidus]

Wow, neat video, makes ya wonder :P

[Celestia]

Damn - that one really got me thinking about it.

Some of the points seem to have quite a bit of logic; one that really caught my eye was the picture of a hole in one of the walls towards the center of the pentagon, which would have had less impact on it. The hole was perfectly circular and the caption asked, "Can a 757 make a perfectly round hole like this through a steel re-enforced, cement wall?"

Plus the fact that none of the other tapes that would have recorded the plane on it's way to the pentagon, such as the traffic camera or the gas station security camera, were ever released.

All in all - great video :D

[Arillious]

I hate Bush as much as the next guy but that movie is only showing you things that prove the directors point of view. He does not go into motive or anything, which makes it really hard to believe. I'm going to assume that the point he is trying to make is that the government purposely staged an attack on the WTC and the Pentagon in order to gain public support to go to war with Afganistan(Really Iraq). Which is a valid theory I guess because with the information he gave you can't really rule it out. But a lot of questions would need to be answered before I'd believe any of it. Questions like why wouldn't they just use a plane on the Pentagon like they did for WTC, why change anything? or what happened to the passengers of the flight in question that crashed into the pentagon? It would not of been hard for someone to of noticed that it was a missle, and not a airplane.(How many of us actually know what a missle or a boeing sound like that close?) There would of been more organizations talking about it other then this website. However I would not be surprised if the government is hiding other stuff and thats why a lot of these tapes are not released. It took them years to release the JFK assination. Either way I'm glad there are people like the guy who wrote the flash movie to question every move the government makes. They can't get away with as much as they once did.

[Arkons]

Arri you're putting words into the director's mouth. He doesnt insinuate anything more than "WTF? This doesn't make sense". The movie doesn't have anything to do with Bush. You can't assume someone is trying to make a point when they don't make any attempt, whatsoever, to convey it.
Also the entire Bush started 9/11 conspiracy is retarded and is not a valid theory. That's like calling creationism a valid theory. Bush is a moron, and a dangerous one at that, but he isn't Hitler.

[Vallidus]

I gotta agree with arkons, I dont think the "director" is pointing any fingers, hes just trying to say "Wtf is going on" There was no plabne wreckage, and a plane woulda done a helluva lot more damage then was done to the Pentagon, or at least a different type of damage. It wouldnt have made a tunnel thru the rings of the structure, that much is sure.

What the Gov could be covering up is that we were hit by missles on our own land, that would scare the shit outta the people of the Usa if they knew some nutjob could just launch missles at us whenever he wanted.

But even scarier imo is that if it wasnt a plane, where the hell are the people that were on the missing boeing? would the USA simply make 100ish citizens just disappear for a coverup?

ugh.... it just gets more disturbing.

[Arillious]

He has to have some theory. Pointing something like that out without a theory does not make sense. My impression was that the message he was indirectly implying was that there was some kind of government conspiracy. If he did not think so then why point out all the flaws in the governments explanation of 9/11? And I agree with your Bush statement. He is bad, but hes no hitler. As Bill Maher once said, Bush is as much like Hitler as Oasis is like the Beatles.

[Arillious]

What the Gov could be covering up is that we were hit by missles on our own land, that would scare the shit outta the people of the Usa if they knew some nutjob could just launch missles at us whenever he wanted.



I have never thought of that, it makes sense. But its not Bush's style. He would of used that to better put fear into American citizens so he can "get away" with stuff he could never of done if not for 9/11. If he can turn Afganistan into Iraq in the general publics eyes, think what he could do if we were bombed. Hell, we(the American people) woulda supported just about anything. Sad but true.

[Sollannixxix]

I gotta agree with arkons, I dont think the "director" is pointing any fingers, hes just trying to say "Wtf is going on" There was no plabne wreckage, and a plane woulda done a helluva lot more damage then was done to the Pentagon, or at least a different type of damage. It wouldnt have made a tunnel thru the rings of the structure, that much is sure.

What the Gov could be covering up is that we were hit by missles on our own land, that would scare the shit outta the people of the Usa if they knew some nutjob could just launch missles at us whenever he wanted.

But even scarier imo is that if it wasnt a plane, where the hell are the people that were on the missing boeing? would the USA simply make 100ish citizens just disappear for a coverup?

ugh.... it just gets more disturbing.

The only reason I could see for covering this up would be if our military was forced to shoot our own plane down, after having already realized it had been taken over by terrorists intent on killing a lot of people. The blurred image in the video looks like a blurred image of a fighter jet, not a Boeing, and the dimensions of the hole would be consistent with a fighter jets size, certainly not a Boeing.

If it was a fighter jet terrorists had somehow managed to get control of, saying that it was the Boeing would have spared the governemnt the difficult position of explaining to the American public the necessity of shooting the Boeing down. And the truth is that it would have been necessary, if it had already been proven the plane was going to be used to kill even more people.

I've always been suspicious that the other plane, the one that was believed to have a rebellion by the passengers which brought it down, might have been shot down by our military as well. This is the plane where the guy was talkig to his wife on the cell phone and explaing they might be trying to stop this, and made the comment "Let's Roll" when they were going to attack the terrorists which Bush later quoted on his war on terror.

Seeing this has made me think about 9/11, which is something I actually haven't thought about much in a long time.

Personally, I think the whole war on Terror which stemmed form this has mutated into the war to use the U.S. military as cannon fodder to knock out all of Israel's enemies in the middle east. All of the "neoconservatives" who dragged us into this war are Zionist Jews, who put the best interests of Israel ahead of the U.S.

I remember reading one article by Wolfowitz in which he said all of Hussein's probably nonexistant "weapons of mass destruction" had most likely been shipped off to Syria, so we would have to invade Syria next to find them I actually laughed out loud when I read that, so it would appear that Syria may be next on the Jew's hit list. If not Syria, then certainly Iran will be next.

[Jawdog]

This site (http://libertyboy.free.fr/misc/attack/2001_09_11_pentagon_plane/index.php) gives a point by point rebuttal of the accusations behind this video.

Still a cool video that made me think.

[Arillious]

This site (http://libertyboy.free.fr/misc/attack/2001_09_11_pentagon_plane/index.php) gives a point by point rebuttal of the accusations behind this video.

Still a cool video that made me think.

I was wondering if there was a response site. It's a little different when you have both sides of the story. Now you can make up your own damn mind. =)

[Haanibal]

Arri you're putting words into the director's mouth. He doesnt insinuate anything more than "WTF? This doesn't make sense". The movie doesn't have anything to do with Bush. You can't assume someone is trying to make a point when they don't make any attempt, whatsoever, to convey it.
Also the entire Bush started 9/11 conspiracy is retarded and is not a valid theory. That's like calling creationism a valid theory. Bush is a moron, and a dangerous one at that, but he isn't Hitler.

Sorry Arkons but I can't have you talking about my commander in chief like that, it upsets me very much. Sike! But you're right he definitely isn't hitler, other than that I pretty much fully agree with the way you described him. :eek: And that's coming from a U.S. Marine who is in Iraq right now.

[yaarii]

I watched that vid but the rebuttal site is down for me.

The vid had some interesting points no doubt. Personally I've always thought there was a bit too much focus on the towers, even though most people did die there in the attacks. There simply wasn't that much info released about the plane that went down (in pennsylvania I think?), or the pentagon plane. However, I can understand the US government not wanting too much info about the pentagon to go public given it's security importance to not only the US, but the world.

As for a war on against Syria or Iran - not going to happen, at least not in the next 5 years. The US was pushing to come up with the war in Iraq, and has come badly unstuck with the situation there now. I doubt they'll rush into another war in another middle eastern country anytime soon, unless they want more situations like current Iraq to pop up. And they are a bit short on military manpower as well, with many commitment's around the world - the US's focus on creating a smaller, more technologically advanced military has somewhat backfired in that the weapons and soldiers do very well on the battlefield....but spread out they lose their technological edge.

[SnakkpackJihads]

Was reading an interesting thing that kind of points out that the whole conspiracy idea is kind of speculation , and can be explained easily. Apparently, at very high temperatures aluminum evaporates/disintigrates. Furthermore, you would assume that since it is the pentagon, the windows arn't just regular windows . The walls, are also several layers of steel thick, so it kind of makes sense for the minute ammount of area damage.

[Dynamic]

W04.

btw that video is just really good editing, any bullshit about the US staging that attack is just rediculous.

[Eyepatch]

Interesting video.