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ferras

03-10-2002, 05:49 PM

as much as i hate to post on any board, this one was well worth it.

First off, fuck you. Im tired of you're shady politics and sneaky ways.

I just recieved very nasty messages from Bella and Draza with an endless amount of insults. fuck off.

FACT: DB asks slobbish to leave seb and not help them on Trak raid.

FACT: DB wipes out and asks SOB for help.

Conclusion: FUCK YOU

I was more than fucking willing to help DB cr, but fact of the matter is draza tells me WHILE we're in the middle of doing a fucking epic. NOT BEFORE. Then he claims he told people 3 hours ago. GUESS WHAT, THOSE PEOPLE ARENT SOB LEADERSHIP. AND THOSE SAME PEOPLE YOU LISTED WERE DEAD IN CS DUE TO 25 EVILS CC'ing US IN COBALT SCAR.

Conclusion: fuck you

Not only that, but some tides were dead in coblat scar and we just got done ressing them and ressing us. Over 10 corpses. Then i tell pepole to head to lilio to do leth's epic and thats when i recieve the message. FUCK YOU.

dont fucking pull that shady shit on me. i was not informed until 5 hours after the fact it seems. i dont care if the whole world was told, I SURE AS FUCK WASNT. I told draza we would help as soon as we finished leth's epic, but all i got was insults.

Maybe you should learn from your mistakes. SOB/DB died to Trak last week or so because they spent 9000 hours getting keys for DB members. GET KEYS BEFORE YOU DO PLANNED RAIDS AND MAYBE HAVE A COMBINED NEUTRAL TEAM EFFORT TO KILL SOMETHING RATHER THAN KICK SOB MEMBERS OUT OF THE RAID DUE TO FUCKING GREED.

To address other issues. The day that the neutreal team did kland, DB was supposed to be there, infact they were there for Zlandicar. Then Most of them left because i quote "i will not kill an ally faction mob, sorry" THen they go off to COM and do Hamdray'ds druid epic mob. After repeated tells, they refuse to help, they were 'doing an epic' and 'didnt want to lose faction'.

WELL IM FUCKING SORRY, I DONT WANT TO LOSE FACTION IN SEB NOW AND IM BUSY DOING AN EPIC.

SOB doesnt help the neutreal team? YOU INSULT YOURSELF.

You dont want to help us anymore? What else is fucking new, when do you help people when it doesnt involve loot? WHEN?

And granteed, some DB members are VERY cool and very HONRABLE, and im sorry for any such insults and attacks, it does not apply to everyone. Draza/WHomever is on him. YOu're still cool, you always were, i think you were just a little frustrated.

But DB as a guild? Dont pull your political game on me, i wont play it..

THis shit is simple, either someone can help or they can. We were tied up at the moment i FOUND OUT, and therefore couldnt help. its as simple as that. I dont want hear tricky and sneaky mechansims about how 1-2 people found out hours ago when they were dead or logged off.

Have a nice day. Stress is bad, try not to stress yourselves and others so much. ANd honestly finding out you made slob leave just disgustes me.

Darwoth

03-10-2002, 06:10 PM

who gives a shit what sob has to say about anything, you were ALWAYS a bunch of pvp avoiding pussy ass SOB'S anyway.

Agrul

03-11-2002, 01:08 AM

Just a note - I hope whomever responds to this (that still plays, anyways) can try and respond to the points Saii brings up and ignore all the cursing.. he was obviously mad, forgive him, ;P .

Agrul

Manie

03-11-2002, 02:46 AM

I'll just comment on what I know, not the past which I wasn't involved in.....

DB does NOT need the "Neutral" team to do Trak, all we needed today was maybe 1 more Monk/Puller.. Other then that all we needed was experience which we got from today, like 3-4 people had done Trak before, all the rest rarely were ever in Sebilis let alone doing Trak.... Now alot of people know what to expect from now on, and I highly doubt it will happen again. :)

Neutral help welcomed > Neutral team help required

-Manie
-Laroux

Arty

03-11-2002, 03:21 AM

Darwoth, you and me are cool and have known each other for quite sometime. Ferras is a hot head, but your comments about SOB are just plain wrong.

SoB has been pk'n/pvp'n while you were still playing super mario brothers on your nintendo. So please dont hate :D .

Marqus

03-11-2002, 03:32 AM

Highest ranked pvp Shammy on server is SoB la~

(Thats me btw for you slow types)

Guys, first off.. Fuck you Ferrass.

DB, fuck you.

Now that we have that out of the way can't we all just get along? We need cooperate, not playa hate.

Where is the love? We used to be close. We used to do shit together. Now DB decided they don't want our help? Thats fine.. then they ask for help? Thats not cool but we should have helped them.

To review my points, fuck ya'll. Can't we all just get along?

Thankyou, goodnight.

Marqus

03-11-2002, 03:33 AM

I sound like Gena now when I post.. forgive me :(

Saradin

03-11-2002, 04:03 AM

Although allied with SoB, Inkara's stance on this tends to stay neutral. Despite some of the mixed feelings in guildchat about dropping everything we were doing to go help CR DB knowing or hearing that they had refused help or kicked Slobbish from Seb earlier, we came to the conclusion and Agrul said it best:

"I would rather help DB CR than create more bad blood between guilds and thus have more people quit the neutral team."

This was paraphrased slightly but basically that is what it comes down to at this point. I sent who I could that was not tied up or Cring to help. I have friends in DB, and then there are some that I just cannot stand....actually only 1 but you know what, if she died and was in deep shit, I'd still help her CR if she asked. I wouldn't do this to gain respect, gain favoritism, but only for the fact that we feel it is our duty to defend our team in anyway possible. With that said, I believe all guilds should take that into mind whether asking for a CR or helping on a CR. What is this bullshit about insults? Either someone can help CR or they can't help CR. Respect it. If people can help then they generally will. I personally have wiped the slate clean of all my former prejudices with the other guilds and don't even listen to hearsay for the most part. Unless I was there first hand, I am not so quick to judge but if I hear shit like this 3-4 times after awhile you tend to believe it.

Sar-

Darwoth

03-11-2002, 04:22 AM

yes arty we're cool and have been for a long time.

however i could careless what SOB did before i met them, when i was on sullon the fags sat there xping beside evils instead of fighting them, never took part in defending velious during any of the large battles that occured, and all in all hid from anything that had the slightest ring of conflict to it, you were active during the same timeframe i was on the server so i dont see how you can deny that but hey whatever. the only people i can think of from that time who did less to help the team was zanshin, and they quickly outdid SOB once they got rid of shame.

DB, TDC (usually), and GF on the other hand was immediately on top of any bogies within a minute or two of them entering the zone, whether they outleveled,outnumbered, or outgeared us was irrelevant, but then most of us were skilled enough to not eat a dirtnap (maybe SOB isnt, couldnt say since i had never once seen them engage in any pvp, just run from it lol)

marqus, i dont consider you sob, even if you do wear the guildtag.
you joined when gray and saradin had a pissing contest (again) and DB got dissolved and didnt want to take sides between your friends.

in any case i dont expect anyone currently playing to openly agree with me, as when you only have around 60 - 70 high levs on the team you dont want to make enemies among them i guess =P

Jotok

03-11-2002, 08:31 AM

When did we kick Slobbish? I don't think he was even there. And I was there from the beginning.

I myself, have no problem if people can't come to help CR. It is the nature of the server. Especially if you are in the middle of something.

Fuck You Marqass.

Also thanks to ToW for coming to help CR. Was fun rushing the zone against 27 defilers. Some of them need to invest in MR gear because I was stunning ALOT of them.

Stoffer

03-11-2002, 09:45 AM

"FACT: DB asks slobbish to leave seb and not help them on Trak raid."
- As far as i know, DB was very dissapointed that no one wanted to help us kill Trak. As far as we were told, everyone had been invited, and we certainly did NOT tell people to leave. Everyone was more then welcome. And im very sorry if the msg did not reach you in proper time =(

Oh btw Manie, the neutral team needs to stand together, weather or not one guild can do something alone is irellevant. It is DBs policy NEVER to ask people to leave (even if getting more people would mean overkill of the mob). Its important that the guilds start working together.

And btw, to all the people covering our ass while we CR'ed: Thanks guys, that meant alot to us.

Exivate

03-11-2002, 11:23 AM

Just a little correction to Stoff, late comers aren't always welcomed as it could delay the raid. If we feel we can do the mob with the amount of people we have, there is no point for someone to zone out and invite the new people down for a CoH. That was the problem with our first attempt at the undead bard/trakanon.

caecus

03-11-2002, 11:37 AM

Ferras's info about Slobbish was second-hand, and turned out to be wrong. I think the real story is that... Last week DB and SoB went to kill Trak. There was an agreement that each of the bards who needed only the undead bard item to get epic (Axxy for DB, and Acidtune for SoB) would roll on it, and the guild that won would help the other one complete epic at some later point. Of course, for whatever reason, the raid was unsuccesful. I don't know if there was any talk of repeating it this weekend. But apparently Sunday morning DB went to raid Seb on their own. When they got there, someone in DB invited Slobbish (who wasn't in Seb) to come. Apparently Acidtune (who was also on) wasn't invited, because DB didn't want to roll with him if epic peice dropped. Or at least that's the impression Acid got, and because of that Slobbish didn't go to the raid. Then later DB wiped out and asked for help in cring. I think the SoB point of view was that if DB wants to do things on their own, that's fine. But to not want people along because you don't want to share loots if the raid goes good, but to then ask those people for help if the raid goes bad is kind of shitty. And additionally SoB was in the middle of the Hole getting an item for Alaeron's epic at the time DB asked for help, so that added to people not wanting to help at that moment. Or that's my impression of it; I wasn't at any of these events, but I've talked to people in SoB about it and I'm trying to clear things up a little.

As for Darworth... Do you even know what the first big fight on Velious was? It was when Ruin came to Crystal Caverns to kill the queen, and about 25 neuts who were exping in GD/EW/CC massed up to try and stop them. Do you want me to post the screenshots and log showing of those 25 neuts that all of them were TDC, GF, or SoB, without a single DB there? But whatever, that's fine, I think you guys were still chilling in Highpass Hold at that point. SoB was at a ton of the big fights on Velious. Lemaitre and several other people fought in Skyshrine the night you guys killed Ruin there. You claim that you saw a group of SoB exping near a couple Ruin in GD one day. Big fucking deal. Most likely you saw a couple lower recruits to the tag who don't even play on SZ anymore, assuming it even happened, and you're not just misremembering more things. I remember a couple people in DB (some of whom are now in Tides) sitting up on the ledge in Velks and not coming down to fight one day when Ruin zoned in. Guess that taints the tag forever, right? Well, it would if I was as much a moron as you are. Go ahead and post your bullshit, it's just more crap from someone who doesn't know shit about what's happening in EQ and apparently never did.

Rykker

03-11-2002, 01:05 PM

I dunno who was asked but i know ppl from other newt guilds were asked to come.1 person who wasnt DB showed out of alot of ppl who were supposed to come.And i doubt it was an issue over lewt since undead bard wasnt even up.We went to kill trak's ass i believe bard spawns days after.Whats all the hostility for?

Darwoth

03-11-2002, 01:22 PM

DB were among the very first people on velious (gladius was there before us though) so if there was a fight in crystal caverns surely we were there in some capacity.

i remember when you could go to velious and there would be less than 8 people on the entire continent, i remember me and kowboy and some other GF had to lay down the assbeat on this evil guild draggons of cabilis or something when they showed up to try and claim velious.

everytime ive ever seen SOB theyve been xping, during the extra huge velious wars that would last all day i would often stumble across them xping in an obscure corner of great divide or EW.

there have been multiple times such as the one you pointed out (hate members not ruin)that ive seen them xping right beside evils (least before i killed them)

i dont remember any SOB in the skyshrine battle because as i remember SOB had a loot and scoot agreement with ruin and hate at that time and would not take part in the fight (either way it was DB that did the dirty work of sitting on their corpses for 3 days). but maybe im mistaken and one or two did come, having one or two people who are worth a shit doesnt make your guild good, just as having one or two people who arent doesnt make a guild bad.

Hamadryad

03-11-2002, 03:07 PM

Well I was in Sebilis for the ENTIRE raid, and I don't remember Slobbish at any point being told to fuck off. We would have appreciated the help, none of us had ever done Trak before and we would never be malicious nor rude to SOB.

About the time SOB asked for help with Klandicar---Saii we had been getting ready to do the PLANNED COM raid for over an hour, I had busted my ass off trying to get people together for it for 2 weeks, and then you sent Kulu a tell with ZERO warning. Give us at a MINIMUM 4-5 hours warning for uber events that you need our help on Saii, PLEASE. Did you want us to all stop something that we had been planning for weeks?

Not only that, but I sent a tell to you trying to talk to you about it and you ignored me!! So I went on with doing what I had PLANNED to do before you demanded Kulu show up at the raid with absolutely zero notice. You couldn't even be bothered to respond to my tells, so explain why I was supposed to change my plan of two weeks for your Kland raid?

Dannk

03-11-2002, 06:42 PM

I was defeinetly there and rocking the DB tag healing and nuking, and begging my cohort Dhank for clarity. Almost got me a level 50 necro too and i was level 30 hehe

Lesa

03-11-2002, 07:10 PM

First of all, Acidtune wasnt on when we started the event. I checked when we began.

Every FUCKING time we help another guild do a epic, they say "This is for so and so". We helped Jaxon on his epic and they said "This is for Jaxon. Bella didnt roll..

Kinda sucks though that I helped SOB and Tow with some of there epics either playing Bella or Axxy and then when grunter asked for there help they only came to help with CR. :(
Hell we even helped Tikku with a mob in Gd with bella cause none off his guildmates were on. We asked him if he could come help and we get no response. Kinda shitty (
I could make a list of what I have done but there is no need. I guess you live and learn. Rekklihs excuse " I cant help cause Dirm will get mad" . Nice of you rekklih when I helped farm the general with bella and myself for you.

If anyone would ask me to help, although I do not socialize with alot of people. I would help do anything with either rezzing or whatever the case would be. :p

What does suck is that we are not teamplayers. I would however, like to thank Polleye for helping and Saki (even know she died on way down. :) Sorry that you died and didnt get corpse for a bit :(

:mad:

GrayRage

03-11-2002, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by ferras

First off, fuck you. Im tired of you're shady politics and sneaky ways.

You mean like recruiting other guild's members and tearing other guilds aprt when recruiting their higher members? *cough*

FACT: DB asks slobbish to leave seb and not help them on Trak raid.

If Slobbish came with us i woulda kissed him. We started this raid with ZERO shaman's. Onec came WAY late....we had NO shammies. Thank god Pollye said she would come and we even got her key for her before the event. I challenge you to explain where you got us saying Slobbish or ANY SOB or ANYONE could not come with us? in fact, ask Rekklih, I bitched and moaned to have him and every TOW come with us to help. There was NO SOB on when we started.

FACT: DB wipes out and asks SOB for help.

Yes. We failed on Trak and had about 18 corpses in his room with 26 evils in Seb sending us tell on how we would never get them. We asked for aid from TOW, Forza, Inkara and SOB. 12 TOW came. 1 Forza. 4 Inkara ZERO SOB. 26 Evils died trying to CC us. Thanx to those Neutral guys who took the hour or so to aid us in retrieving our stuff. TOW has shown on several occasions to be friends. yes, sometimes they cannot help...or sometimes we argue...but more often than not they have come through even after our disputes.

I was more than fucking willing to help DB cr, but fact of the matter is draza tells me WHILE we're in the middle of doing a fucking epic. NOT BEFORE. Then he claims he told people 3 hours ago. GUESS WHAT, THOSE PEOPLE ARENT SOB LEADERSHIP. AND THOSE SAME PEOPLE YOU LISTED WERE DEAD IN CS DUE TO 25 EVILS CC'ing US IN COBALT SCAR.

The fact of the matter is Lemartre, Ekomsdog, Rakim and Jaxon were dressed and sitting in Bazaar. I sent all of them tells and only Ekomsdog replied. We advised we were going to CR in 2 hours and asked if SOB could help. The answer was basically no.

When the 2 hours was up I again asked for aid. I again asked for back up on the CR that Ekomsdog was advised of and against...the resounding answer was quiet or from Ekomsdog...a Fuck off.

Not only that, but some tides were dead in coblat scar and we just got done ressing them and ressing us. Over 10 corpses. Then i tell pepole to head to lilio to do leth's epic and thats when i recieve the message. FUCK YOU.

It's amazing that those same TOW that were dead in CS (with you) somehow managed to come help on the CR. Considering we were sking you to help us while TOW was being rezzed in CS I think its pretty clear you went to do another epic thingy knowing we had asked for your help.

Maybe you should learn from your mistakes. SOB/DB died to Trak last week or so because they spent 9000 hours getting keys for DB members. GET KEYS BEFORE YOU DO PLANNED RAIDS AND MAYBE HAVE A COMBINED NEUTRAL TEAM EFFORT TO KILL SOMETHING RATHER THAN KICK SOB MEMBERS OUT OF THE RAID DUE TO FUCKING GREED.

Well the reaosn no SOB needed keys on Sunday was cause only 6 came. about the other 20 were DB. So in reality it was DB healing DB get their keys last sunday...not SOB...or the 6 that came. Actually there was 5. We had to COH a few that came WAy after the event started.

Since you keep referring to the sunday SOB wiped out with us...you might want to add that it was DB and TOW that CRd that time. SOB's OWN fucking members did not help. TOW and DB did it all. Don't believe me? Ask Kowboy. I am sure he was wondering where his guild was through that too.

WELL IM FUCKING SORRY, I DONT WANT TO LOSE FACTION IN SEB NOW AND IM BUSY DOING AN EPIC.

You can raise faction in SEb super easy. You just have to kill High Elfs in Faydwer.

SOB doesnt help the neutreal team? YOU INSULT YOURSELF.

No, you did not help us when we needed it. And we will remember it.

You dont want to help us anymore? What else is fucking new, when do you help people when it doesnt involve loot? WHEN?

I would like to know the time Saii has EVER gone a raid where SOB was not the recipient of the loot. Ragefire...ALWAYS for SOB cleric. Chardock? VS? EVERYTIME Saii is there...its for SOB. Yes...we have done RF TWICE now for SOB clerics....you think BELLA does not need Ragefire too? Did we complain when Traeumer, Kulu and about 18 DB helped kill him for YOUR cleric's ragefire? No...we just did it cause we hoped that when we needed YOUR help....you would come. We were wrong.

THis shit is simple, either someone can help or they can. We were tied up at the moment i FOUND OUT, and therefore couldnt help. its as simple as that. I dont want hear tricky and sneaky mechansims about how 1-2 people found out hours ago when they were dead or logged off.

Our predicament was known to everyone. Your guild was VERY aware we had the CR planned and you chose to ignore it. It's not like we called you and demanded you come immediately....we asked over a period of FIVE HOURS.

Hey...it's fine if you do not want to come. Just KNOW that there will be a time when you need our help....and we will recall how responsive you were to our need. You know...if we went and died everyday in a hard to CR place...like Hate....ot Fear....or OS...I could understnad blowing us off after a while. Why should you spend time for our stupidity. BUT we are moving into a EVIL zone trying to do a MOB and make it DOABLE by other neutrals. When we first went into KC...the entire evil natuion fought us...eventually they got used to it. Same with Chardock...same with OS eventually. So what DB is doing in Sebilis is NOT just for us...it willmake Trakonon a viable target for ALL of us as the evils become bored with defending him.

Recall our first general? ALL of the evil team showed up. Its all about beating on it until they give up fighting to stop us. So YES...we fuckin died. But we needed our teamates help when we failed...and some came through. Some did not.

[quote ANd honestly finding out you made slob leave just disgustes me. [/QUOTE]

I just have no fucking idea what you are talking about. I asked Slobbish and he has no clue either. Perhaps you should ASK your GUILDMEMBER before making these nutty accusations here.

Regarding the future: I am not going to stop DB/SOB grouping or events. But this has created a new rift that we had been doing so good at tearing away. What will happen about it? I dunno. I am sure a time will come when it comes up again.

All the guilds do their own thing and I understnad that. The key, i guess, is seeing everyone elses point of view and giving it a chance.

Pavis

03-11-2002, 08:18 PM

I was one of the ToW that came to help. The battle inside Seb reminded me of the glory days of this server.

I'm not sure how this starts out as SoB mad at DB and then Axxy feels the need to drag ToW into over Ragefire or other mobs.

I'm not sure how other guilds feel (or even my own for that matter), but so far Ragefire has never been roled on. The guild that finds it, gets the heart and anyone on that can help should. I helped on Rakim's rage, but wasn't online for Jaxons. I have been at every Newt killing of RF except 1. Epic pieces, especially from hard mobs (no such thing as contested mobs on this server), must be treated differently. People shouldn't expect to get a role on an epic item just because they helped (and yes dirm would be pissed if many of us dropped our plans to help another bard). Not becuase he is an ass, but because that is all he needs also and has been begging for trak for weeks. Trak is a bitch because any CR takes place in one of the most easily trained zones in the game.

If anyone in SOB or DB still has problems with ToW...start a new thread, but don't mix issues.

vidmaster

03-11-2002, 09:06 PM

I've been on Legends for the last 2 weeks so no idea what's up but one thing I wanted to reply too was...

You mean like recruiting other guild's members and tearing other guilds aprt when recruiting their higher members?

That's not the whole story. We invited Slayers of Slaw and Reapers to merge with us as a means of compacting the neutral team more to help organization and grouping for exp groups. The guilds were divided and some split off while the rest stayed.

I can't speak for my guild but I generally try to help everyone because we are all on the same team. When I need help, I want people to be there for me so I try to do the same thing in return.

-Vidmaster

caecus

03-11-2002, 09:45 PM

Shrug, Acidtune got the impression he wasn't wanted. Whether that was true or it was just a misunderstanding I couldn't say. I was grouped with him and Slobbish in velks while the DB raid was going on so I know he was there while things were happening. Ulath was there too and I guess he misunderstood what the complaint was; then he mentioned to Saii what he thought had happened, and that plus whatever problems Saii had with tells he was getting blosomed into this. As for Saii being on raids where SoB didn't get anything, he was there last night when Inkara and SoB killed Fadywer for the last part of Spleefa's epic.

Dannk, who were you there?

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[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Chaucey
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Frok <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Buffee <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Arkons <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Melissandre <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Light
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Tryndamere <Gladius Fatalis>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Jaxon <Saecula Omnimodus Bellum>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Brokk <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Blaren <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Dhank <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Imminent <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Washu <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Hocus <The Dark Coalition>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] [ANONYMOUS] Caecus <Saecula Omnimodus Bellum>
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:36 2001] There are 56 players in Crystal Caverns.
[Sun Jul 22 21:21:37 2001] Tryndamere's song ends.

Anyways, whether a member of DB was at some fight 7 months ago isn't really the point. I've never had any problems with how DB fights. I just brought it up as an example of how full of shit Darworth was and is.

Apollyon

03-11-2002, 09:57 PM

Kinda sucks looking at that and knowing what this server used to be and how it is now, gets kinda old when you do a /who in any given newt zone and there is never more than 13 people :(

Yizza

Darwoth

03-11-2002, 10:30 PM

so because an SOB xp group got cornered in CC and were forced to defend themselves for once when evils passed through on their way to GD that makes me full of shit?

sorry dont think so, do you think i just dont like your guild for the hell of it? i knew nothing of you before sullon and what i saw there is what i base my opinion on, and that opinion is that your a bunch of pvp avoiding pussies.

lets look at the current scoreboard here...........

1. Darkenbane Company (Neutral) 350,165 pts

2. Honorbound (Neutral) 198,170 pts

3. Inkara (Neutral) 175,690 pts

4. Sanctus Lumen (Good) 163,031 pts

5. Ruin (Evil) 141,988 pts

6. Reapers (Neutral) 130,912 pts

7. Divine Vigilance (Good) 129,895 pts

8. Da Bashin' Iggles (Evil) 116,654 pts

9. Tides of Wrath (Neutral) 106,743 pts

10. Ecliptic Shadow (Good) 103,702 pts

11. Malignant (Evil) 93,438 pts

12. Infernal Elite (Evil) 83,939 pts

13. Sect (Good) 81,049 pts

14. Wolves of Legend (Good) 79,853 pts

15. Bringers of Retribution (Good) 72,174 pts

16. The Dark Coalition (Neutral) 67,998 pts

17. Saecula Omnimodus Bellum (Neutral) 65,295 pts

now, what we have here are guilds who have been gone for 6 months or more, guilds that have 10ish members, guilds who have been in the 100s of thousands of negative points before, and guilds who are a few months old ALL outdoing SOB which was on the server from the start.

yes clearly you are tenacious l33t pvpers that you pretend you are, lol.

thanks, come again.

caecus

03-11-2002, 11:02 PM

It wasn't an exp group in CC. If you, you know, look at the screenshot you'd see a lot more than six people in the view. We happened to get exp because Bohn decided that rather than invis down and risk getting a train if someone's invis dropped that we'd clear our way down. My group just happened to get exp on that orc kill. And we hadn't been exping in CC, we had been exping at the tizmaks in GD and went to CC when the call went out for help. If you had been there (but according to you, if there was a fight in Velious, DB must have been there, right?) you might have had some clue what the circumstances were. Hell, if you knew anything about game mechanics, you might notice that all the SoB were higher up on the /who list than Ruin except for Jaxon (who was in a different group) and me ( And your own character is always at the bottom of the list). So what's that mean? Well, since you're probably too slow to figure it out, it means that we zoned in after Ruin. But somehow we were forced to defend ourselves... Right. Why don't you figure out what the fuck you're talking about before you speak?

And your original claim wasn't that SoB didn't go out and pk in evil territory, but rather that SoB didn't help defend Velious. We certainly did, and that is just one example of it. An example that took place when you were probably still kiting gorge hounds in EK. But I see how it is, when you get beat in one argument you switch to another. That's an automatic game over, man. You lose.

vidmaster

03-11-2002, 11:14 PM

Darwoth you fucking moron thats because 90% of us never played EQ until Sullon Zek. Quit your shit you don't even play Sullon anymore so you haven't earned the right to speak about issues regarding it. Shut the fuck up and sit the fuck down. Most of SoB was gaming together before you heard of the internet.

I have no hate towards DB. Just the individual morons that run around mouthing off like jackasses.

Darwoth

03-11-2002, 11:40 PM

i dont expect to get you, an SOB member to admit that your a bluebie, no matter how true it is. so whatever.

FACT at no major fights during the time i played on sullon do i recall having seen any SOBs take part in, im sure there were one or two people who may have but that doesnt make your guild worth a fuck in my eyes. remember the skyshrine battle? the two fights where evils came over to velious with more than 100 people and the zones crashed from all the fighting, and the war lasted all day and into the next morning? where we had to retreat to velketors and the tizmak caves from being overhwelmed with 3 to 1 odds? of course not because YOU WEREN'T EVER THERE, because as soon as the SLIGHTEST hint of a fight showed up SOB were suddenly nowhere to be found.

FACT to many times to count ive seen SOBs xp within sight of evils close to their level.

FACT on several seperate occasions i vividly recall there being a big war going on and sob hiding in a corner of the zone xping rather then helping defend the zones.

as for the particular situation in crystal caverns my memory may be a bit cloudy as that was not my only noteable pvp experience on sullon as is likely the case for you, but if i recall correctly DB and TDC had set up on the iceclad/ew bridge to try and buy time for tdc and gf etc to call in the troops but were trained by shame by about 50 mobs as all the evils came over and we got taken out at this same time TDC and GF coming over from GD (tdc) and kael (gf) and met up at the orc fortress, at this point i had all of ruin hanging off of my dick so i SOCed and gated so im not sure what happened next but i assume the group was attacked near the orcs and a typical zonetag war ensued.

whatever, having a couple of your members in one battle doesnt mean shit and does not disprove a damn thing ive said.

SOB was a nonfactor during the timeframe when there was a 50 - 100 person battle every few days and the reason is because you avoided conflict like the plague and instead let the rest of the team carry you.

the only reason people pay you the slightest attention now is because the server numbers have shrunk to the point where if they dont its impossible to get anything done.

and no vidmaster, its not because you didnt play EQ before, its because you hid in corners watching your xp bar instead of doing any pvp. am i supposed to give a fuck what SOB did in other games? because let me assure you i dont only thing that matters to me is what ive seen, and from what ive seen you could have gone to the evil team and nobody would of noticed.

but you know hey, if you want to be bluebies thats fine and good, but dont expect me to not laugh my fucking ass off when you act as if you had ANY influence in sullons pvp scene whatsoever.

edit: youll also note that there are SIX sob present in that log and the distinct frown regarding the ensueing battle.

hence "damn we got a great xp group together but cant xp =/"

Dannk

03-11-2002, 11:43 PM

I was on Dannk (who i no longer play) i came cuz Dhank said to come kill some f3wls hehe.

Darwoth

03-12-2002, 12:08 AM

vidmaster wrote "I've been on Legends for the last 2 weeks so no idea what's up but one thing I wanted to reply too was..."

need i say more about your bluebiedom? i think not.

Ramza

03-12-2002, 01:09 AM

Unless you restart playing on SZ, you should stay out of this Darwoth. Hell, my own guild is mentioned here and i won't comment because i wasn't on that day.

oNCe

03-12-2002, 01:16 AM

getting back on track...

im going to try to respond as best i can to Saii's flame

--"I just recieved very nasty messages from Bella and Draza with an endless amount of insults. fuck off."--

k... that is between you bella and draza.. 2people giving you tells doesnt mean the entire guild feels the same way..

--"FACT: DB asks slobbish to leave seb and not help them on Trak raid."--

thats a blatent lie.. Slobbish.. nor ANY SOB were on this raid..

as your guild member pointed out earlier in this thread.. you are lying through your teeth.

--"FACT: DB wipes out and asks SOB for help."--

we asked SoB..Inkara..ToW..and Forza to help CR.. people came from every guild EXCEPT SoB.

--"I was more than fucking willing to help DB cr, but fact of the matter is draza tells me WHILE we're in the middle of doing a fucking epic. NOT BEFORE. Then he claims he told people 3 hours ago. GUESS WHAT, THOSE PEOPLE ARENT SOB LEADERSHIP. AND THOSE SAME PEOPLE YOU LISTED WERE DEAD IN CS DUE TO 25 EVILS CC'ing US IN COBALT SCAR."--

sorry to rain on yer dictatorship... our bad for thinking people in your guild had oppinions for themselves.

--"Not only that, but some tides were dead in coblat scar and we just got done ressing them and ressing us. Over 10 corpses. Then i tell pepole to head to lilio to do leth's epic and thats when i recieve the message."--

we didnt just ask SoB for help.. if you wanted to go do Leths epic.. no one was stopping you.. ToW decided to help their team.. and you decided to go do yer own thing.

--"dont fucking pull that shady shit on me. i was not informed until 5 hours after the fact it seems. i dont care if the whole world was told, I SURE AS FUCK WASNT. I told draza we would help as soon as we finished leth's epic, but all i got was insults."--

people do not like dealing with whiney yelling loot whores..

prolly the reason no one talked to you..

--"Maybe you should learn from your mistakes. SOB/DB died to Trak last week or so because they spent 9000 hours getting keys for DB members. GET KEYS BEFORE YOU DO PLANNED RAIDS AND MAYBE HAVE A COMBINED NEUTRAL TEAM EFFORT TO KILL SOMETHING RATHER THAN KICK SOB MEMBERS OUT OF THE RAID DUE TO FUCKING GREED."--

i was ontime for this event.. it took 30min max for us to get keys.. granted we should have gotten keys before hand, (and we asked that all DB members should have) it was not the reason we wiped out.

and again.. no SoB was asked to leave.. since no SoB was there..

--"To address other issues. The day that the neutreal team did kland, DB was supposed to be there, infact they were there for Zlandicar. Then Most of them left because i quote "i will not kill an ally faction mob, sorry" THen they go off to COM and do Hamdray'ds druid epic mob. After repeated tells, they refuse to help, they were 'doing an epic' and 'didnt want to lose faction'."--

this is where you make sense..
you are 100% correct in that the DB that were there should have stayed..

i will explain why they left

as you may or may not know.. a lot of our guild is german.. they speak english very well.. but still there can be misunderstandings..
Grunter was not online at the time.. and when we heard there was a faction hit for Kland.. a lot of our guild did not understand how easy it was to get that faction back..and did not want to lose ally with cov.

there will be other chances for Kland..
(i was one of the db that stayed that day fyi)

--"SOB doesnt help the neutreal team? YOU INSULT YOURSELF."--

SoB helps the neutral team.. when they feel like it.. or it somehow benefits themselves..

im sure you helped the neutral team a lot by taking members out of other guilds and putting them in yer dictatorship /shrug

--"You dont want to help us anymore? What else is fucking new, when do you help people when it doesnt involve loot? WHEN?"--

how many SoB have ever been ressed by Bella?
how many times have we helped you guys out in PvP?

now ask yerself this big mouth... how many times have we given up epics so yer members could loot over us?

--"Have a nice day. Stress is bad, try not to stress yourselves and others so much. ANd honestly finding out you made slob leave just disgustes me"--

yet again.. SLOBBISH WAS NEVER ON THE FRIGGIN RAID k?

thx for the laugh..

801

03-12-2002, 02:32 AM

1. bring a coffin for evry person there, fuck a CR thats for newbees
2. high pr buffs 200+ if possible
3. the jugs in traks room are a bizatch, my suggestion is something like when we would raid WW, a special group for handling PvP, only this group would be to mez the jugs and heal the encs, if u can avoid the jug adds trak isnt hard , hes like sev with a bunch of bodygaurds just watch for the hardcore pr dot
4. On Rallos Zek about 10 days ago omni tried trak 3 times in a row (on 3 consecutive nights) and couldnt get him, i helped on the 2 of their raids , and they are pretty much pimped out but the juggs kept fucking it up, ive seen them kill plenty of dragons and epic shit w/ not much problem but trak hides like a beotch
5. lol i just realized theres no necros on neutral so how the fuck do u summon corpses? thats gay man wtf
6. anyways.... holler at your wode grunter

Arkons

03-12-2002, 05:56 AM

alright Darwoth, you need to quit it. First of all regarding the CC raid, I know you werent there because you werent on at the time, i remember specifically msging you to come. I also msged Gray, but he ignored me. Daank may or may not have been there, I dunno. I know you werent there, and no I know that there was no force of DB there.

As for SoB, during this battle everyone except Jaxon conned green or even to me, and I was 25 or so. I had been in an exp group with Jaxon around 2 hours before the battle in CC, so yes some SoB were exping there before the battle occured.

As for SoB never taking part in PvP, I only know what I see. I go actively seek out and hunt evils with other members of my guild. Just last night a large group of including Saii went pking all around. Then Rakim, Ekomsdog, Spleefa and I went and fought Nine in Maidens Eye for around 2 hours. When evils raided Velks, I never remember SoB backing out, unless they were like lvl 30 or something. I also recall many SoB members being very vocal in calling for PvP against evils.

But then again, I dont play much. However, one thing is certain. I see SoB PvP more then a lot of guilds on this server. And honestly Darwoth, i dont even see a reason to flame us, when you really didnt play this server during anytime that SoB was going to be a contributing factor to any battle.

As for Saii's post, he was just misinformed about the situation, and overeacted, something he tends to do. Forgive and forget I guess... Hell Gray, I dont still bring up that you kicked me out of DB because 801 wanted a Drachnid Thxyl do i? Surely you guys can give Saii a break, afterall gray is the master of overeacting.
/Disband guild

Arkons

LeMaitre SOB

03-12-2002, 05:57 AM

Darwoth, you are among the stupidest and most ignorant and arrogant trolls I have yet to see on the boards. I can only hope DB cuts loose of you soon, or you grow some pubes.

"lets look at the current scoreboard here...........
1. Darkenbane Company (Neutral) 350,165 pts"

If you still played on SZ, which you do not, you would realize the scoreboard means JACK SHIT. Your own guild has admitted they exploited for those points. They went to OT with a low level tag-along, rooted people, let the low level get the kill shot, and racked up the points. How the fuck is this ownage? Get your head out of your ass, you ignorant fuck. DB doesn't own this server one iota, and neither does SOB. Ruin owns this server. Until you recognize that fact, deal with that fact, and ACT to CHANGE that fact, you have no business whatsoever commenting on the past history, current situation, or future plans for the neutral team. Quite simply - Shut The Fuck Up.

"everytime ive ever seen SOB theyve been xping, during the extra huge velious wars that would last all day i would often stumble across them xping in an obscure corner of great divide or EW."

You sound like a disgruntled member of "The Horde" or "Anguish" or whatever gimpy zergling evil guild is around atm. I'm sure they blame Ruin for not defending their precious pussy asses in OT, when the evil neuts came through. Did it bother Ruin? No. They stayed focused. They XPd. They helped their team 100x more by XPing and PVEing to their position today than your pansy ass ever helped neutral.

"i dont expect to get you, an SOB member to admit that your a bluebie, no matter how true it is. so whatever."

Bluebie? Most core SOB have never played EQ on any of those lame-ass servers, be it blue or "play nice" Zeks. The guys who have played mainly played on Zeks. Ruin are bluebies, and they've been kicking the shit out of you and your guild (and my guild) from the beginning. So shut the fuck up, you ignorant prick, about the skills and capabilities of bluebies and Zekers.

"FACT at no major fights during the time i played on sullon do i recall having seen any SOBs take part in.."

Maybe cuz we weren't high enough to take part in them at the time? Did you ever consider that? Or did you think SZ would be gimpy pussies like yourself who burn out and quit after 3 months. Sorry, we've been there since Day 1, and unlike your cowardly cunt, we're still on the server. Roll up a char and we'll chat about who's in the most "major fights."

"vidmaster wrote "I've been on Legends for the last 2 weeks so no idea what's up but one thing I wanted to reply too was..."
need i say more about your bluebiedom? i think not."

Again, you expose your ignorance and stupidity about the current situation on SZ. I would advise your guildmates, if you are still in DB, that is, and haven't joined a Tetrinet guild, to shut your ass up, because you are emberassing them. We're bringing back, and have brought back, prime loot that the neutral team hasn't obtained yet, in order to HELP our team and win. We've used this loot to beat the shit out of people you couldn't dream about killing. Witness the whines on SZ@War and then get back to me about how "blue" we are by transferring kickass gear and KILLING people with it. Again, you have no mind for strategy whatsoever.

People tell me you played a druid in your short time on the server. That wouldn't surprise me one bit. You represent the arrogant, ignorant, short-sighted retards who kept the neutral team down from Day One. Instead of well-balanced guilds, we had 300,000 morons like yourself who rolled up druids and ganked people all day. When you gutless retards figured out you couldn't WD Oogly to death, you quit and fled like the pussies you are.

As to the DB CR - we were more than willing to help you after we were done with the epic mob in CS, but whoever was on Draza talked mad shit to us and threatened us, etc, if DB didnt help RIGHT NOW. Sorry, but threatening us and talking shit won't get you help. I'm sure we'll see past this and work together in the future, and I'm sure you were frustrated, but threatening us and talking shit is NOT the way to get assistance. See you on the battlefield.

GrayRage

03-12-2002, 07:55 AM

Let me just say that the only reason brought TOW up in any poor light (as it might be perceived) was because after we saw that Trak was up we aksed ALL Neutral online to come help kill him. The TOW members on said they did not want to go because Dirmanian might get mad (cause he wanted the guts for his epic instead of Axxy getting it). Yes, that made us angry cause we had helped TOW on some raids where the specific loot was going to a specific individual (Fear for Dirmanian comes to mind as well as 2 Ragefires and some Chardock raids ect ect). It just seemed gay that a raid we planned could not have help from TOW members simply because ....well you get the idea. Polly coming though was GREAT....cause Once came SO late and we thought we were not gonna have a shammy which woulda sucked ass.

TOW came through BIG time on CR though. And have come through on enough other occasions now that i have no complaints about our relationship. Additionally, I have faith in Toodles and Poodles leading raids as they have proven themselves proficient in doing such.

I would ALSO like to point out that we had NO COH mage (thanx Arty for not giving us our mage back) so anyone who had come on AFTER we were deep in could not have joined us anyhow or we would have kept asking for help.

But here is a FACT: NO SOB were on when we started. IF they were, we would have asked them to COME. SOB was the ONLY guild not to aid in the planned CR. A CR that they were fully aware of and deliberatly avoided for whatever reason. I don;t give a shit about whtaever escuses you have (PvE stuff)...you know as well as I that you could have come...and you just said fuck it.

I want to end this thread now...cause it is pointless. There is no solution. We are not gonna stop grouping with SOB members as to many of us are friends and surely we are not gonna become enemies or some stupid shit. But Sunday was not a good day for the relationship between us and one day I am sure your lack of aid will be recalled by us.

GrayRage

03-12-2002, 08:26 AM

As to the DB CR - we were more than willing to help you after we were done with the epic mob in CS, but whoever was on Draza talked mad shit to us and threatened us, etc, if DB didnt help RIGHT NOW. Sorry, but threatening us and talking shit won't get you help. I'm sure we'll see past this and work together in the future, and I'm sure you were frustrated, but threatening us and talking shit is NOT the way to get assistance. See you on the battlefield.

Dude, we had been asking for help for 5 hours. So get off this bullshit about "help us right now or else" I think 5 hours was more than enough time to do whatever it was you were doing. In fact, you were one the people i was staring at in bazaar FULLY fucking dressed...ignoring my 2 or 3 tells.

I really do not care what escuses you come up with. TOW, Forza, Inkara....all somehow managed to find time in their busy epic schedule to help a fellow neutral guild. You did not and we will not forget it.

Darwoth

03-12-2002, 08:38 AM

blrh didnt know you joined sob arkons, that sucks. you and marqus are way to high a caliber player for a group like that.... but anyhow ill adress your points.

if this crystal caverns incident is the one im thinking it is i was there, if its another one then ok fine. but it doesnt change or discount anything ive said.

yes regarding sob and pvp you only know what you see, and i only know what i see which hasnt been anything since a week and a half before DAOCs release, maybe now SOB pvps since there is no more xp to farm, just like ruin. but during the beginning of the server when it mattered most you can bank on everything ive said as being completely accurate.

youve known me for the past few years in game, while i generally dont like most people until i get to know them, i also dont single anyone out for criticism unless they deserve it. and in this case everything ive said is 100% justified.

................................

as for you lemaitre, we will have to agree to disagree (obviously, since your an SOB and dont want to admit your guild is shit)

im growing tired of taking the time to compose my replies to your attempt to make folks see your guild as something it isnt (anything other then bluebie gimps afraid of pvp in case you had a memory lapse or some such) so i will try to make this my last reply to your bullshit.

actually the scoreboard shows very clearly who PVPs and who does not, if your trying to say that the people who have higher points then you do so because they bring a lowb to lowbie zones for months on end then you are truly fucking delusional, not once during my time on sz did anyone ever do that and 2/3 of DBs point total was made before i left. so try again.

well i really could careless if you think i sound like a member of the a guild ive never heard of but i think my killing people and always showing up to help people CR (even if i didnt like them at all) as well as always being on largescale pve raids for other people (even though i despised pve raids) helped more then your huddling in a corner of a zone xping while spamming your who list.

i havent said anything about the skills of anyone really, just peoples mindset, people who avoid pvp and farm xp while their enemies sit beside them circle jerking in the snow gaining faction thereby widdling away at our only advantage that allowed us to hold down velious at the time are bluebies. thus, you, and sob are bluebies.

you were never more then 8 levels below me and usually right around my level so dont know how you were to low, and yes clearly i am a cowardly cunt pussy who burned out in 3 months because i got sick of everquest after 3 years of playing it. i dont need to roll up a char, i still have mine. during the 2 times ive logged on to conversate with some old friends the only pvp i found was that of me going to kunark and killing a couple people.

actually i figured you were doing that, but ive heard people are already back with "uber lewt" hence if hes been on the server for 2 weeks it would appear he is staying there, maybe not, your still bluebies. am i to be impressed that you are buying shit on ebay and transferring it to SZ through the use of 40$ a month mules? if i desired to play EQ anymore i would probably transfer all my shit from RZ to SZ to, nothing original there genius. and if you can kill someone i cant on SZ at least you are correct in stating its only because of loot (im still sporting my tizmak tunic from half a year ago =P)

the very fact that you dont know what class i played (and i guess dont remember me) shows how little you participated in pvp, when i logged into sz few days ago within 5 minutes i had old enemies of mine and friends and even newbs talking to me asking if i was coming back or just dropping in. you are correct however, i did indeed play a druid as thats what i kicked everyones ass with on RZ and continued to do so with on SZ.
maybe the people in your guild that are druids only know how to cast wd, but ive dropped a lot more skilled tanks on RZ then oogly lmao, in equipment that cant be far off from whatever the ruin tanks have.

i left DB some months ago but still hold some loyalty to the tag and friends i have in it when dipshits like you try and talk shit about them, in any case i very highly doubt i am embarassing anyone but SOB members with our exchange here, hence all the pissed off SOBs.... truth isnt always a pleasant thing i suppose.

last paragraph im not really up on, but i cant help but comment on the last sentence..... what "battlefield" will you see anyone on? certainly not one in everquest unless your battling with velketor mobs or some shit lol.

Stoffer

03-12-2002, 11:34 AM

Plz bann Dannk from the board, hes impersonating me.
(if you dont know it, i own the dannk account now, and the guy posting on this subject is NOT dannk)

GrayRage

03-12-2002, 11:44 AM

Just for the record and hopefully to stop this before it get's stupid (er), SZ is a FAR different server than RZ or UO ...or any game we have played.

DB vs RZ was not such a big thing because we exploited the 4 level restriction rather nicely since we were usually the agressor. On SZ there IS no level restriction so TOV/Sleepers loaded Tanks can swat a 45th wizzie aside like so much fodder.

As such we have had to take a far more "blueby" approach to this server to be competative. There is no way DB on RZ could have stood up to even the pathetic guilds on SZ. Add to that that inability to loot items means people actually WEAR their gear on SZ.....this means Items + levels = power. Which correlates to DB doing blueby stuff.

That said, part of being Blueby enough to gain items includes relationships with folks on our own team. SOB, TOW, Forza, Reapers and Inkara have all proven themselves an integral and established part of the team and thus MUST be our allies for us to continue to fight our mutual enemies.

We DO believe it sucked SOB did not come to our aid for whatever petty reason they might have had, but we are not goin to mess up the Neutral team over it.

So the answer to the many questions regarding the issue is YES, we will still do stuff with SOB....group with SOB....just as we will with TOW or the other Neutral Guilds.

What will we do about it? Well beyond what we have already done (yelled at them and told them off), nothing. What is the reality of the situation? Hard Feelings...loss of alot of hard work at establishing closer relations. Solution? None. Just keep playing and see how it all pans out.

Velael

03-12-2002, 12:21 PM

Damn Gray, 6 months ago I thought you were a flaming, egotistical idiot :)

Anyways, though we often laugh at the neutral team's PvE efforts (mostly to make our own cocks seem bigger) killing Trakanon is not a trivial encounter, especially in another teams "home" dungeon.

He certainly isn't the worlds toughest mob, but for a first try, he can be rough if you don't do it right.

Also, from a bluebie faggot's viewpoint ... DB / Inkara / ToW / SOB all fight us. There are members of all 4 guilds that can't hold their own weight, and members that are very tough. Darwoth, you were one of maybe 3 or 4 shit talking druids we all respected (you, Amreet, Skuttles, Dharma) ... but don't flame the rest of the crowd so hard, that's the last thing team newt needs ~

Jotok

03-12-2002, 01:39 PM

Part of the problem with Trak was that only 3 of us had every been there and people were getting antsy while waiting for the right time to rush the room. Everybody just wanted to go right in. Also not having a high lvl Enc there hurt and having no necros on the team for DMF hurt too.

The fun part was rushing the zone in against 25+ evils.

Darwoth

03-12-2002, 05:18 PM

im not flaming the rest of the crowd, only SOB since they are the only guild i have a problem with, every other neutral guild, even zanshin (but not shame of course =P) showed up in capacity to at least half of the large wars no matter their level.

anyhow im done with it, ive said what i think as have the SOB's.

illmaticz

03-12-2002, 05:28 PM

Darwoth you are such a joke. you have no room to talk shit. on RZ you were a nobody. For 60 lvl's you were the ultimate blubie pussy. You never pk'd and I know you loved to attack pk's because you were to pussy to be kos'd to other people. Days after he got his epic he finally started to pk. After 3 years of being a nobody on the server he finally starts pks, only when he has the bset possible pvp gear he can get. But he is too much of a pussy to wear any good droppable gear. If memory servers correct he wore his lodzial shield in his secondary hand because he was to pussy to wear it on his back where it belongs. IM pretty sure the only droppable gear he carried around was jewelry and he was to pussy to lose that so he carried around gate potions. He was one of the only druids on the server to wear that shitty no drop green robe also. so i find it funny how he takes a bout anyone being a blubie pussy when he is the Ultimate blubie pussy. I think he was the ONLY person on ther server to wait till he was lvl 60 with epic to finally start to pk, you dont get much more pussy then that. and incase you forgot you were never shit on rz so dont act like you were, most people never heard of you, which is why you were in the shittiest raid group on the server The Reverant. And raid groups were the ultimate form of being a blubie on RZ.

Darwoth

03-12-2002, 06:00 PM

oh my god not another no name from RZ still crying about the reverant fiasco some 2 years after it fucking happened spouting off rhetorical loads of shit, do i really need to point to the numerous other threads where ive addressed all of you bitches before?

here i guess i do.........

here is one (of the many) from the old board around when i first joined DB...

http://www.darkenbane.com/forum/viewtopic.php?topic=26&forum=1&2

and here is a more recent one though youll have to search through all the other shit on the thread to get to the releveant points, somewhere between page 4 and 6 i think....

http://forums.darkenbane.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=653&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

who are you anyhow? some IE gimp that i kicked the shit out of daily?

i wore almost everything droppable, one of the few people on RZ who did (and 50% of people didnt wear anything droppable) the robe was the only chest piece that gave the resists i was after and i still had over 200 wisdom with it, not to mention i looked cool in it and at first glance people would assume i was an int caster which helped with surprise sometimes, so suck my dick sir.

and once again (for literally the 100+ time) sorry, the load of bullshit how i got geared and left reverant doesnt fly you stupid cunt, i left after the deuchebags let me fight TB by myself when they came through killing people on a raid i was leading, and then left sof when they said i had to sac or leave, at that point i formed DR with once and laroux and completely owned anyone who crossed our paths for a few months before realizing i couldnt stand most people on RZ so finally went random.

to say i didnt pvp until i was 60 shows how much of an idiot you are, i was reverants enforcer in most situations along with laroux and way back early during the beginning mallen also, there was never a time when i was not fighting some large group of dipshits like you, other then that i dropped into the ice giants and fought with DB almost every other day which is how me and gray came to like each other.

you are correct in that i used gate potions after i went random, i used them on SZ to, however it had dick to do with losing loot as i still have around 5 bags of diamond and blue diamond shit not to mention all manner of other 50k+ shit i ganked before moving to sullon but rather because i was usually always fighting groups of people at a time which can go bad fast and i didnt like to be a screenshot if things went south, matter of fact after i went random the only people to have killed me were shadowknights and once a druid got the killshot with the aid of a shadowknight.

and give me a break, almost everyone on RZ liked me in some sense and would send me tells about being a good fight after i killed them except for the rabid frothing whiney whores like yourself.

EDIT: mallen instead of malio. both halflings both names sound the same got confused for a min =P

Darwoth

03-13-2002, 01:10 AM

and heres another thread about all that bullshit fresh from when it happened, way back before i went random and joined DB.

(lots of other good memories from the old DB on that board to =P, back when once still posted his smile for the camera stuff and me and gray were arch nemesis =P, when dempig ran his mouth after being killed for like the 25th time etc etc rofl)

http://boards.gamers.com/messages/message_view-topic.asp?name=darkenbane&id=zzbwg

maybe i should just save logs and transcripts to a word file so i can just cut and paste instead of wasting time respongin to idiots for the thousandth time..........

Arkons

03-13-2002, 03:48 AM

Illmatic was one of the best random PKs on RZ imo :p He and I fought a lot, and then fought with eachother a lot after I disbanded tB to go random.
However, I dont think RZ can be neccisarily compared to SZ. However, imo the core of SoB are the most selfless, loyal, and mature players that I have ever met in game. So I really have trouble beleiving you, Darwoth, about them being a bunch of cowards, which is just exactly the opposite of what I've seen out of them. LeMaitre, hardly ever plays his own char, instead he plays a guild cleric, and spends most of his play time rezzing people so they will level up. Saii is hands down probably the most dedicated raid leader on the server, and spends a lot of time, along with LeMaitre researching for raids and such. I also know he was the only lvl 60 monk for a long time, and the only experienced one. I know for a fact in the early days of server raiding Saii was for the most part the biggest key factor in early PvE on this server. I remember seeing him on every epic raid he was online to attend. As for PvP, read the sz@war forum, evils are never bitching about Draza pulling trains during evil raids, or messing up their raids. It is 99% of the time Saii. I remember days when all I did was PvP with SoB for 5 hours straight or more.

Maybe I see them in a different light, but I think you are mistaken about their nature as a guild. I think Marqus would agree too.

Arkons

GrayRage

03-13-2002, 09:40 AM

Ark,

I like mostly all of the SOB members including Saii, but you are off claiming they are into PvP at all. Saii will be the first to admit he does not like to PvP (he has said so to me because of the difficulties in PvPing as a melee). I have even tried to tell him otherwise.

They are very good PvE wise. Saii always is good at organzing folks and leading raids. I have no trouble with following him on those. Lemartre (i am pretty sure it was him) came with us once to OS...we were gonna PK there and did...the fight spilled out to TT. Lem stayed for about an hour then got bored, whilst the Dbers present would not leave until they could accomplsih their goals (of killing the blabber mouths present). The difference there is the desire to see the other player dead is greater to us (in that situation).

SOB has easilily twice our number of members, but the fact that they have 20% of the points we have is pretty indicative that PvP is not their primary goal or concern. We have no trouble with that, but I just wanted to clear up your statements about them being into PvP. it's just not true. They like to do it once in a while, but it is not their primary focus. at least imho.

Dunno how this came up though. I don;t think SOB is SCARED to PvP. I do not think that is WHY they did not come to aid us in CR. I think they were being pissy cause we were doing Trak without them (even though we woulda COHd all of them if Arty would give us back Arty).

Fuck it.

Lem...Saii....anyone? Any word on Arty? Let us have him back please.